Designated Marksman Loadout for Rifleman

[Chromakey]

Rifleman should have a loadout at lvl 6 with a Kar98k with the 1.5x ZF41 scope, a lvl 9 loadout with the G43 with the ZF4 scope and the M1903xx with the 2.2x scope on the U.S. side, limited to 1 per squad. Right now there's less scoped rifles than Tanks on the Battlefield, which doesn't make much sense. The regular Sniper Class should be upgraded with better camouflage loadout options.

[Roninman]

116. Kiwii//GlitzerFee WP eredeti hozzászólása:

This Post just shows how many peopel dont have a clue what they talking about and what they wishing for. And i whole heartly hope the Devs WONT listen to any of this here. Im sick of peopel destroying games with theyr blatant ignorance and lacking knowledge. If u want to have more Scopes just go play BF or whatever.

You are damn right about that. They come from game A and want to make game B like their last favourite was. Who gives a damn about simple realism in loadouts? They dont. Next comes killcams, more weapon unlockables, shorter respawn timers etc...

[Chromakey]

116. Kiwii//GlitzerFee WP eredeti hozzászólása:

This Post just shows how many peopel dont have a clue what they talking about and what they wishing for. And i whole heartly hope the Devs WONT listen to any of this here. Im sick of peopel destroying games with theyr blatant ignorance and lacking knowledge. If u want to have more Scopes just go play BF or whatever.

You're using big words for someone who doesn't know how to spell "people". Das sollte man in der 5. Klasse im Englischunterricht gelernt haben. Aber vielleicht kommst du ja da noch hin.

[[MsW] Kiwii//Glitzerfee |||]

Chromakey eredeti hozzászólása:

116. Kiwii//GlitzerFee WP eredeti hozzászólása:

This Post just shows how many peopel dont have a clue what they talking about and what they wishing for. And i whole heartly hope the Devs WONT listen to any of this here. Im sick of peopel destroying games with theyr blatant ignorance and lacking knowledge. If u want to have more Scopes just go play BF or whatever.

You're using big words for someone who doesn't know how to spell "people". Das sollte man in der 5. Klasse im Englischunterricht gelernt haben. Aber vielleicht kommst du ja da noch hin.

i couldnt care less im pissed of by ur ignorance anyways. And im not here to show of my grammar skills. We talk about the game and ur suggestions for it. The fact u hook on something simple like grammar and Typos shows what kind of person u are ! But i hope u realize what kind of Bullcrap u are suggesting here

[Noct]

Roninman eredeti hozzászólása:

Sammons eredeti hozzászólása:

I have no complaint with this idea. Or another option have the sniper in a 6 man squad instead of how it is now and let them build up. Start it off with a none scope and when you get to the next levels of 3 5 9 whatever let them put the scope on. Get tired of having games where the sniper has done nothing and only got it because a friend locks the squad. If you get in there first you should have the option to be a sniper or spotter not locked on spotter first.

This game never was supposed to go in Battlefield progression with weapon unlocks, This whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gets way out of hand soon if they cant stop it. You people who come from arcade games cant play in any other way, cause real history and asymmetric balance and realism is somehow totally gone from your minds. Yes lets have sniper for every 5 man in team, way to go. Hell Let Snipers

first off the game is more arcade style right now since the weapons are unrealistic and alot of people have complained about it already. I'm always using rifles my comment was in the fact that they need to make it a more viable option to use a class. Locking the class to recon but only being able to use it after someone gets stuck as a spotter is really dumb. Progression is just one way to make it so someone can use a class. Officers in the squads can kick people out if they want so doing progression would not hurt having the sniper in a 6 man squad right now. When I play as officer I always look to see what my squad is doing and boot anyone I feel is not doing their job unless I don't care on that particular game/match. At the very least let the person that gets into the recon team first decide which role they want to use.

[Chromakey]

116. Kiwii//GlitzerFee WP eredeti hozzászólása:

Chromakey eredeti hozzászólása:

You're quite pathetic, you boast about your skill, can't spell basic words correctly (Hint: It's not grammar, it's orthography). You basically don't come across as an intelligent individual, whose feedback should be considered by anyone.

While u couldnt provide anything Balancewise. I did it with my Scores because u failed at it ;) Ur initial Posting just shows the same thing about u aswell. U clearly dont have a clue about the game. Gonna report this now since u started going hard Oftopic. Have a nice day

Yeah next time you want to contribute to a discussion, maybe make sure that you don't sound like an idiot before accusing other people of being ignorant, and having a lack of knowledge.

[Cipher Esteria]

Sammons eredeti hozzászólása:

first off the game is more arcade style right now since the weapons are unrealistic and alot of people have complained about it already. I'm always using rifles my comment was in the fact that they need to make it a more viable option to use a class. Locking the class to recon but only being able to use it after someone gets stuck as a spotter is really dumb. Progression is just one way to make it so someone can use a class. Officers in the squads can kick people out if they want so doing progression would not hurt having the sniper in a 6 man squad right now. When I play as officer I always look to see what my squad is doing and boot anyone I feel is not doing their job unless I don't care on that particular game/match. At the very least let the person that gets into the recon team first decide which role they want to use.

Nah you keep the Recon Squad as it is. There is a reason, why it is limited to two Squads and you are supposed to always have a Spotter with you.
Because thats how it works, you have a Spotter and a Sniper in a 2 man team.
Just most Snipers are brain damaged bafoons who run off alone and are of no use to their team. Neither make they use of their spotter.
Do you know how much damage a good Recon Team can cause?

[Noct]

Mr.Cipher eredeti hozzászólása:

Sammons eredeti hozzászólása:

first off the game is more arcade style right now since the weapons are unrealistic and alot of people have complained about it already. I'm always using rifles my comment was in the fact that they need to make it a more viable option to use a class. Locking the class to recon but only being able to use it after someone gets stuck as a spotter is really dumb. Progression is just one way to make it so someone can use a class. Officers in the squads can kick people out if they want so doing progression would not hurt having the sniper in a 6 man squad right now. When I play as officer I always look to see what my squad is doing and boot anyone I feel is not doing their job unless I don't care on that particular game/match. At the very least let the person that gets into the recon team first decide which role they want to use.

Nah you keep the Recon Squad as it is. There is a reason, why it is limited to two Squads and you are supposed to always have a Spotter with you.
Because thats how it works, you have a Spotter and a Sniper in a 2 man team.
Just most Snipers are brain damaged bafoons who run off alone and are of no use to their team. Neither make they use of their spotter.
Do you know how much damage a good Recon Team can cause?

I know how much damage a good team could cause. at the same time no one wants to be
just stuck playing spotter either. Make it so you can use the sniper class a little bit easier or make it so recon is not lockable at all. Everyone one is missing the point plain and simple. leave it two man teams but let it be first come first serve as to which one you play for that squad.

[Chromakey]

Mr.Cipher eredeti hozzászólása:

Sammons eredeti hozzászólása:

first off the game is more arcade style right now since the weapons are unrealistic and alot of people have complained about it already. I'm always using rifles my comment was in the fact that they need to make it a more viable option to use a class. Locking the class to recon but only being able to use it after someone gets stuck as a spotter is really dumb. Progression is just one way to make it so someone can use a class. Officers in the squads can kick people out if they want so doing progression would not hurt having the sniper in a 6 man squad right now. When I play as officer I always look to see what my squad is doing and boot anyone I feel is not doing their job unless I don't care on that particular game/match. At the very least let the person that gets into the recon team first decide which role they want to use.

Nah you keep the Recon Squad as it is. There is a reason, why it is limited to two Squads and you are supposed to always have a Spotter with you.
Because thats how it works, you have a Spotter and a Sniper in a 2 man team.
Just most Snipers are brain damaged bafoons who run off alone and are of no use to their team. Neither make they use of their spotter.
Do you know how much damage a good Recon Team can cause?

Yes, it's incredible. And i feel like the military role of a Recon Team with the task of taking out priority targets doesn't translate well to HLL, since you can always respawn a few seconds later. Long range support from a good recon team absolutely decides fights. In the competitive scene however, Snipers are far less valued

[Roninman]

Sammons eredeti hozzászólása:

Roninman eredeti hozzászólása:

This game never was supposed to go in Battlefield progression with weapon unlocks, This whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gets way out of hand soon if they cant stop it. You people who come from arcade games cant play in any other way, cause real history and asymmetric balance and realism is somehow totally gone from your minds. Yes lets have sniper for every 5 man in team, way to go. Hell Let Snipers

first off the game is more arcade style right now since the weapons are unrealistic and alot of people have complained about it already. I'm always using rifles my comment was in the fact that they need to make it a more viable option to use a class. Locking the class to recon but only being able to use it after someone gets stuck as a spotter is really dumb. Progression is just one way to make it so someone can use a class. Officers in the squads can kick people out if they want so doing progression would not hurt having the sniper in a 6 man squad right now. When I play as officer I always look to see what my squad is doing and boot anyone I feel is not doing their job unless I don't care on that particular game/match. At the very least let the person that gets into the recon team first decide which role they want to use.

But this aint class based game like battlefield. Its squad based game

[Rainacap]

Chromakey eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr.Cipher eredeti hozzászólása:

Nah you keep the Recon Squad as it is. There is a reason, why it is limited to two Squads and you are supposed to always have a Spotter with you.
Because thats how it works, you have a Spotter and a Sniper in a 2 man team.
Just most Snipers are brain damaged bafoons who run off alone and are of no use to their team. Neither make they use of their spotter.
Do you know how much damage a good Recon Team can cause?

Yes, it's incredible. And i feel like the military role of a Recon Team with the task of taking out priority targets doesn't translate well to HLL, since you can always respawn a few seconds later. Long range support from a good recon team absolutely decides fights. In the competitive scene however, Snipers are far less valued

The Problem here is that in my opinion a sniper is already super OP as is ive gotten over a hundred kills one game and just kept harassing the enemy garrisons with the other recon team and while it was fun for us im sure it was infuriating for the enemy team i honestly think we're lucky that most snipers in HLL go off and do their own ♥♥♥♥ cause two recon teams can be a four man army if they wanted to. I honestly think they should balance them out by giving them less ammo or something of the sort and make it to where the spotters are the only ones able to resupply them so it makes the recon team actually work together instead of the sniper just running off and ignoring their teammates. Also what would be the US and Russian counterpart to the designated marksman? And god knows what they're gonna do to balance out automatic weapons which i already think arent too bad.

[Mix-Master Phil]

Spitzer_DK eredeti hozzászólása:

I think a better option would be for the German sniper class having the following unlocks:

lvl 1 = K98 with 4x Zielvier (ZF39, or Hensoldt AJACK)
lvl 3 = K98 with 8x Zielacht (current)
lvl 6 = G43 with 4x ZF4

Meanwhile the x1.5 ZF41 could be made available to lvl 10 riflemen.

Only issue I see with this though is that the US sniper class has no other realistic options than the current one, but I think for balance I would then add the M1 Garand for the US spotter class.

As whilst the German sniper would be better equipped than his US counterpart (just as in real life), the US spotter will have a wider array of weapon load outs than the German spotter. (A spotter with a semi auto rifle ingame is a very powerful option)

The Marines used something called a Lyman 5A (5x) which the devs could tweak to be a 4x, And then they also had the Unertl 8x but again both of those were Marine Exclusives from the quick search I've done.

in general Both Spotters need a better Secondary load-out as well as snipers.

The ammo carrier for the spotter doesn't make sense and it feels like they copy and pasted the old ammo carrying support loadout to it.

Veteran for the Sniper loses the pistol and grenades for S-mines and i think smoke grenade.

[BÆRD]

BF V is that way.

No.

[Chromakey]

Rainacap eredeti hozzászólása:

Chromakey eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, it's incredible. And i feel like the military role of a Recon Team with the task of taking out priority targets doesn't translate well to HLL, since you can always respawn a few seconds later. Long range support from a good recon team absolutely decides fights. In the competitive scene however, Snipers are far less valued

The Problem here is that in my opinion a sniper is already super OP as is ive gotten over a hundred kills one game and just kept harassing the enemy garrisons with the other recon team and while it was fun for us im sure it was infuriating for the enemy team i honestly think we're lucky that most snipers in HLL go off and do their own ♥♥♥♥ cause two recon teams can be a four man army if they wanted to. I honestly think they should balance them out by giving them less ammo or something of the sort and make it to where the spotters are the only ones able to resupply them so it makes the recon team actually work together instead of the sniper just running off and ignoring their teammates. Also what would be the US and Russian counterpart to the designated marksman? And god knows what they're gonna do to balance out automatic weapons which i already think arent too bad.

Yeah, a lot of stuff was OP in ww2, and is in HLL. Like artillery. I think my proposal is valid in the context, that the Germans built 120.000 Zf41 scopes which were built for this exact purpose and then (after 1944) used in that way. The Lyman 5a scope mentioned here was from ww1, and under a 1000 units were available.

A 1.5x scope on a Kar98k would be an Advantage over the iron sights at range, but it isn't remotely comparable to the 8x scope.

And for balance, the americans didn't have a comparable program, they wanted to equip their M1 Garands with a scope, but it didn't make it in time for ww2, they were used extensively later in Korea.

[Caelib]

The average mentality of "let me get the sniper rifle and get some kills" is precisely why there is only 2 recon units per team and the you cannot pick the sniper rifle until there is a recon leader.

Recon teams, first and foremost are designed for ... you guessed it ... recon. Those optics are best suiting the team in disrupting the enemy supply lines and providing reconnaissance. Covering your recon leader while he moves in to destroy garrisons and nodes behind enemy lines is what the marksman should be doing.

Anyone playing recon on the front lines is doing it wrong and wasting an extremely valuable resource for their team - there's a reason recon OPs can be placed in locked territory and aren't destroyed when you lose control points. Racking up kills does virtually nothing for your team in the grand scheme of the battle and doesn't really matter much in overall XP gained.

To your original point ... do we need more scopes? The answer is an overwhelming "no". If anything, I would argue that there should only be two armor units allowed per team. Unless we're talking Kursk ... I would love to see an armor-heavy map where there are 10 tanks on each team at the start of a battle.

[Chromakey]

Caelib eredeti hozzászólása:

The average mentality of "let me get the sniper rifle and get some kills" is precisely why there is only 2 recon units per team and the you cannot pick the sniper rifle until there is a recon leader.

Recon teams, first and foremost are designed for ... you guessed it ... recon. Those optics are best suiting the team in disrupting the enemy supply lines and providing reconnaissance. Covering your recon leader while he moves in to destroy garrisons and nodes behind enemy lines is what the marksman should be doing.

Anyone playing recon on the front lines is doing it wrong and wasting an extremely valuable resource for their team - there's a reason recon OPs can be placed in locked territory and aren't destroyed when you lose control points. Racking up kills does virtually nothing for your team in the grand scheme of the battle and doesn't really matter much in overall XP gained.

To your original point ... do we need more scopes? The answer is an overwhelming "no". If anything, I would argue that there should only be two armor units allowed per team. Unless we're talking Kursk ... I would love to see an armor-heavy map where there are 10 tanks on each team at the start of a battle.

Thanks for clearing that up, Captain Obvious. We are all aware, what the current intention for the recon squads is, and that's exactly the problem. The teams who use at least one of their recon squads in the right situations to their advantage, gain an enormous momentum in the fight.

If you're attacking a very visible spot, on forest/snow maps etc and you have a competent recon team suppressing/killing their defense, it's a huge advantage. If their recon teams chill around in nomansland on the map, maybe disable some nodes/garrisons is nice too, but i would emphasize more value on my infantry just being able to walk onto the spot, because their defense is either dead or has to stay in cover.