Please improve ballistics

[Spitzer_DK]

Could we please get comparatively realistic bullet damage, penetration and ballistics?

By this is meant:

1) All weapons chambered in the same rounds should do the same base damage. E.g. it makes no sense that a MG42, M1919 or DP28 does less dmg pr. bullet than a bolt action rifle chambered in the same round etc.

2) Improve weapon ballistics and make it match reality, as currently some weapons (esp. apparent on the scoped rifles) suffer from way too high a bullet drop over distance.

3) Please add realistic bullet penetration, such as in RO2. It makes no sense that thin wooden planks are bullet proof, not even vs pistols or SMGs. Look up the normal penetration capability of rifle and pistol caliber rounds, and base penetration performance ingame on on that.

Also finally, please add range adjustable sights, it's really quite essential in any game that has bullet drop modelled.

[Korben Dallas]

Bullet drop is barely even present in this game. The m1 fires a .30-06 which has terrible performance (used to call these rainbow guns when i was younger). Go look at a ballistics chart and see what its really like irl.

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by Beavis:

Bullet drop is barely even present in this game. The m1 fires a .30-06 which has terrible performance (used to call these rainbow guns when i was younger). Go look at a ballistics chart and see what its really like irl.

This guy says the .30-06 has terrible performance....

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow

Wow

Wow

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Originally posted by Beavis:

Bullet drop is barely even present in this game. The m1 fires a .30-06 which has terrible performance (used to call these rainbow guns when i was younger). Go look at a ballistics chart and see what its really like irl.

This guy says the .30-06 has terrible performance....

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow

Wow

Wow

"dEm PlAsTiCs GuNs R tRaSh, gImMe ThAt WoOd AnD sTeEl 30 oUtTa 06 wUn Da WaR"

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

This guy says the .30-06 has terrible performance....

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow

Wow

Wow

"dEm PlAsTiCs GuNs R tRaSh, gImMe ThAt WoOd AnD sTeEl 30 oUtTa 06 wUn Da WaR"

Nice bait. Try again

[Hotdog Warlord]

Don't agree with your first point. It would really screw up the balance of the game.

Agree with your second point. Bullet- Drop on scoped rifles is over exaggerated.

Would also really like adjustable sighs and scopes like R02.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

"dEm PlAsTiCs GuNs R tRaSh, gImMe ThAt WoOd AnD sTeEl 30 oUtTa 06 wUn Da WaR"

Nice bait. Try again

As much as you would have liked it to be it was not bait by the obvious sArCaStIc typing of the message lol

[Mix-Master Phil]

For your First Point. In my experience i rarely have issues dropping people with any MG as their cyclic rate's is high enough you'll most likely score a follow up shot before they reach cover.

The Other obvious thing is Game Balance, this isn't supposed to be a True Simulator so the normal 2 shots to kill that MG's have is still extremely deadly to anyone in the open and i think they changed Limb damage recently so you may just be catching people in the limbs where they take less damage if they do manage to get away.

What usually ends of happening is people follow you're tracers in and head shot or start suppressing you.

For Point two. Scoped Ballistics are weird, i rarely get to play as a sniper since all the squads are full in my experience but when i have played it was frustrating learning to bullet drops of each rifle and missing shots that should of hit on the other hand I've seen and experienced some very good snipers who made long distance shots with ease.

For Point Three. Simply Game balance, The Wooden houses on Kursk would be useless if every MG could spray down the occupants or even any wooden houses for that matter.

To get what you want would require some overhauls of game systems and mechanics such as fortifying houses so that machine gun's can't hose down occupants and probably numerous other things.

Also Remember this game is also going/is on consoles it needs to be simple enough for consoles to run even if we have the newest Gen consoles out they still need to build around their system capabilities.

TLDR: Game Balance, Not a Simulator, Being developed with consoles in mind.

[Korben Dallas]

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

Originally posted by Beavis:

Bullet drop is barely even present in this game. The m1 fires a .30-06 which has terrible performance (used to call these rainbow guns when i was younger). Go look at a ballistics chart and see what its really like irl.

This guy says the .30-06 has terrible performance....

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow

Wow

Wow

Sub 3000fps. Poor range compared to modern calibers. If its so good why isn't it more widely used? Military, and hunting applications have widely abandoned it in favor of other rounds.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Beavis:

Originally posted by ZeroFuqsGiven:

This guy says the .30-06 has terrible performance....

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow

Wow

Wow

Sub 3000fps. Poor range compared to modern calibers. If its so good why isn't it more widely used? Military, and hunting applications have widely abandoned it in favor of other rounds.

Well most rifle caliber rounds are sub 3000, 7.92, 7.62x54r, and 7.62x51 NATO are sub 3000 (common military cartridges that is). 6.5 Creedmore are one of the most popular long range calibers and it barely hits the 3000 fps mark. 30-06 ballistics are comparable to M80 ball or vice versa, and it is still a very popular hunting round although it's better days are behind it. Saying it has poor range shows you really need to look into ballistics because that is a horribly wrong statement( I gues it depends on what range you are talking), the Marine Corps stated it has an effective range of 800 yards. 30-06's biggest draw backs, at least from a military stand point is its weight and most importantly its recoil. It was, like 8mm Mauser, .303 British, and 7.62x54r over-powered for the ranges combat took place, within 300 yards. I was great FOR ITS TIME but like most ww2 tech its obsolescent. I wouldn't say it has poor ballistics but compared to modern day calibers it is most certainly seeing its age.

[GRU-Vy]

I agree with point 1 and 3 but i think in regards to alot of bullet drop on scoped rifled, i think that was intentional. Scopes are a massive advantage when no one else has them, to incorporate a ‘skill’ factor im pretty sure thats why the sniper rifles have more drop then their non scope counterparts. To be honest im not totally against this because its pretty easy to pick off people as a sniper as it is.

[cpl trout]

Originally posted by Beavis:

Bullet drop is barely even present in this game. The m1 fires a .30-06 which has terrible performance (used to call these rainbow guns when i was younger). Go look at a ballistics chart and see what its really like irl.

lol the ♥♥♥♥ did i just read. You sure your not mistaking 30-30 for 30-06 ?

[Sav]

Originally posted by Spitzer_DK:

1) All weapons chambered in the same rounds should do the same base damage. E.g. it makes no sense that a MG42, M1919 or DP28 does less dmg pr. bullet than a bolt action rifle chambered in the same round etc.

It makes perfect sense for the MG's to have less power than a bolt action with the same caliber ammo. MG's are automatic, which means the gun loads another round by itself and that energy has to come from somewhere. As with almost every automatic weapon ever made, that energy comes from gas blowback, meaning some of the energy from the gun power burning is used to force the bolt carrier group to the rear of the weapon, which is energy lost from the bullet. Bolt actions are manually cycled, which means that energy comes from wienerschitzel and kraut bread and all the gunpowder energy goes to propelling the bullet.

[JohnnyBanana]

Originally posted by Sav:

Originally posted by Spitzer_DK:

1) All weapons chambered in the same rounds should do the same base damage. E.g. it makes no sense that a MG42, M1919 or DP28 does less dmg pr. bullet than a bolt action rifle chambered in the same round etc.

It makes perfect sense for the MG's to have less power than a bolt action with the same caliber ammo. MG's are automatic, which means the gun loads another round by itself and that energy has to come from somewhere. As with almost every automatic weapon ever made, that energy comes from gas blowback, meaning some of the energy from the gun power burning is used to force the bolt carrier group to the rear of the weapon, which is energy lost from the bullet. Bolt actions are manually cycled, which means that energy comes from wienerschitzel and kraut bread and all the gunpowder energy goes to propelling the bullet.

Nice B8 M8

[ZeroFuqsGiven]

Originally posted by JohnnyBanana:

Originally posted by Beavis:

Sub 3000fps. Poor range compared to modern calibers. If its so good why isn't it more widely used? Military, and hunting applications have widely abandoned it in favor of other rounds.

Well most rifle caliber rounds are sub 3000, 7.92, 7.62x54r, and 7.62x51 NATO are sub 3000 (common military cartridges that is). 6.5 Creedmore are one of the most popular long range calibers and it barely hits the 3000 fps mark. 30-06 ballistics are comparable to M80 ball or vice versa, and it is still a very popular hunting round although it's better days are behind it. Saying it has poor range shows you really need to look into ballistics because that is a horribly wrong statement( I gues it depends on what range you are talking), the Marine Corps stated it has an effective range of 800 yards. 30-06's biggest draw backs, at least from a military stand point is its weight and most importantly its recoil. It was, like 8mm Mauser, .303 British, and 7.62x54r over-powered for the ranges combat took place, within 300 yards. I was great FOR ITS TIME but like most ww2 tech its obsolescent. I wouldn't say it has poor ballistics but compared to modern day calibers it is most certainly seeing its age.

You are 100% correct.

I use .30-06 for hunting and I also own an M1 Garand. There are better bullets now than the .30-06 but that doesn't make it a sub par bullet.
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Like Johnny said, the main reason why a standard rifleman carries 5.56 instead of .30-06 or 7.62 is weight. I bought a bunch of .30-06 recently and decided to load up a full bandolier. Holy hell was it heavy. I would not want to carry a lot of ammo and an M1 Garand and this is coming from a former SAW gunner

[Hayt]

the FEEL of the bullet ballistics is so clunky and 'arcade' like, that so many ppl lost hope for this game, its a shame because it could be so much better.