Bad sound and No tracer or Muzzle flash

[KoN]

Every player a Sniper . ??
Whats going on here . !!!
Why no tracer or muzzle flashes , So we can see where gun fire is coming from .
This not realistic . The only time you can engage is when movement is seen .

[Beans]

Yea I believe they took out muzzle flashes for a majority of the guns cause of apparent “performance problems”. And if spotting and identifying enemies wasn’t hard already not being able to see flashes doesn’t help much either, with the exception of machine guns.

Also yes sound is horrendous. Not just the weapon sounds but also directional audio of gunfire.

[KoN]

Yes the directional audio is really bad . I don't think i can get into this its very arcade or very buggy . The maps are fantastic but its let down by poor sound and well seeing who doing what . . It is a very very frustrating GAME .

[Pestilence]

As a education purpose altho i understand what you are saying not all fire arms create muzzle flash, actually many weapons don't have muzzle flash due to length of barrel and size of round put into account. So not having muzzle flash is honestly pretty accurate for some of these fire arms examples being the rifles and such.

[Summerdreams]

Originally posted by Beans:

Yea I believe they took out muzzle flashes for a majority of the guns cause of apparent “performance problems”. And if spotting and identifying enemies wasn’t hard already not being able to see flashes doesn’t help much either, with the exception of machine guns.

Also yes sound is horrendous. Not just the weapon sounds but also directional audio of gunfire.

No they did not remove them; proof:
https://youtu.be/R6RrcLkiAnI?t=82
at around 1:24 / 1:25 you can clearly see a muzzle flash.

Now lets take another example of a gun IRL:
https://youtu.be/0Kig2kaHZEg?t=77

and:
https://youtu.be/8DPQbV2XtCc?t=328

So i drop a question: am i blind or where are those "muzzle flashes"? As can be researched on forums etc.: a muzzle flash, is a big nono. Whether its blinding you (in night time combat) or the enemy being able to spot you. Thats a reason why tracer bullets are reduced to a minimum (since they give away your position as well).

Adressing sound: yes, thats a bit awkward ...

[KoN]

Please don't defend this its very poor . its a game nothing like real thing . We need muzzle flashes or at least tracer rounds that you can actually see . Go take a look on Youtube at real fire fights . You know what im saying here "we need directional awareness . its a game in 2D.
Yes now listen to that sound and look at that smoke its a dead give away .

[Summerdreams]

Originally posted by KoN:

Please don't defend this its very poor . its a game nothing like real thing . We need muzzle flashes or at least tracer rounds that you can actually see . Go take a look on Youtube at real fire fights . You know what im saying here "we need directional awareness . its a game in 2D.
Yes now listen to that sound and look at that smoke its a dead give away .

Ok you call this poor, so better hold my beer.

https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/second-world-war/ww2-dutch-troops-in-combat/1409761044001
at 1:43 wheres the muzzle flash? You can see the thrust of the air coming out of the gun, yet you cant see a light (and its colored footage).

https://youtu.be/8vjXqRcWd34?t=142
(at around 2:24 if its not working properly) Wheres the muzzle flash? Again you can see the thrust not an actual light - at least you can say the videos quality is not as high as the other ones.

https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/second-world-war/rare-ww2-battle-footage/660973128001
(at around 2:30) Muzzle flash? Yes you can see muzzle flashes from bigger guns (as expected) ...

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xeebwc
at around 1:14 - again: wheres the muzzle flash? ...
same video at around 1:26 and 1:28 - you have to watch the video carefully: wheres our muzzle flash? :)

So lets assume those are not fake videos (and im quite sure they arent) and i just invested like 15-20 minutes of my life doing an EASY(!!!) research on WW2 firefights ...
I could do the same on modern combat, but since todays weapons also feature tools to reduce / prevent any kind of muzzle flash - especially because of night-time combat - its just some waste of time ...

So lets make it easier: give us some combat footage of small arms (!!) causing muzzle flash and we could discuss it on a more detailed lvl. As pestillence already mentioned: many weapons dont have any kind of muzzle flash, because of gun length, size of the round used, etc. etc.. All this can be researched by investing less than 1 hour on the internet. Even mythbusters made a video and they couldnt see the muzzle flash on a distance less than 50 meters ... even after using a round DESIGNED to cause a big muzzle flash they had difficulties to spot it.

So please, dont say that my argumentation - based on actual footage (past + present) - is bad, while you dont even deliver anything. You told us to watch some actual firefights - and as proven again - you dont see muzzle flashes of small fire arms. Adding the fact that the opposite of what you are claiming as "realistic" is backed up by several types of sources (combat footage, forums / discussions, wiki, shooting range footage) does not tell me in any way, this argumentation would not be solid. Ofc its not solid from a scientific perspective, but i wont take it to that level...

So back to HLL: its meant to be realistic (to a certain degree, ofc its not a perfect simulation). Therefore adding tracers, muzzle flashes, etc. in an artificial way is not the way to go. Fix audio system and stuff and its fine. We are not fighting in a hollywood movie...

[KoN]

Look i know what your saying here BUT this is a GAME its not a realistic look at WWII fps "we need directional awareness . its a game in 2D.
So lets have some directional awareness . Its simple .
Go play post scriptum and your know what im talking about .

[Hayt]

Infantry gun mechanics needs to be completely overhauled, been saying it from day 1. It's why lots of ppl have left this game (here comes da hll ♥♥♥♥ rider comments in 3 2 1...)

[KoN]

Originally posted by Hayt:

Infantry gun mechanics needs to be completely overhauled, been saying it from day 1. It's why lots of ppl have left this game (here comes da hll ♥♥♥♥ rider comments in 3 2 1...)

I Agree . The game looks amazing looks like the real thing back in the days .
To be honest its really let down by poor sound effects and lack of situation awareness .

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

There needs to be visual indicators of fighting, game is unplayable without it.

[Pan_de]

I mean why you all want weird stuff. First of all if anything it just needs better audio.
2nd of all if you pay attention there is smoke effects whenever a gun is fired.

[SammyToeJr]

Originally posted by KoN:

Every player a Sniper . ??
Whats going on here . !!!
Why no tracer or muzzle flashes , So we can see where gun fire is coming from .
This not realistic . The only time you can engage is when movement is seen .

Yea pretty much witch is why its heavy on campers also movement speed in this isnt realistic either, neither is fall damage neither is gun damage a 45 ACP round at 40 metters IRL in those times would kill you with one shot if you get hit in the chest, yet in this game some how the tomson is so weak for no reason its disrespectful too one of the most famous guns in all of history.

[fatty_boombalatty]

this isnt cod

[KoN]

Originally posted by TAWPan_de:

I mean why you all want weird stuff. First of all if anything it just needs better audio.
2nd of all if you pay attention there is smoke effects whenever a gun is fired.

Nothing weird going on here people are asking for Combat awareness .

[KoN]

Originally posted by fatty_boombalatty:

this isnt cod

No this is Hell let Loose .