Locking Recon

[Mr Spock]

What is the rationale for being able to lock the recon squad and then selecting who enters? It is the SAME people every map rotation that have a slightly higher spec'd rig or connection that get in the server first, lock the squad and then wait for their slower friend to enter to get the Recon role. NO EQUITY WHATSOEVER in being able to assume the role.

PLEASE REMOVE THE LOCK FUNCTION at the very least on the RECON SQUAD

[Default]

I disagree, the squads should remain locked. It's already set up so that whomever opens the squad *can't* be the sniper, so you have to be taking the role with the intention of OP/spotting.

You shouldn't also be lumbered with some bell end who goes on Steam forums and complains about never being able to sn...

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[Strontium Dog]

lot of hate out there for sniperz, you're not gonna get much sympathy for not being able to play as one.

[Mr Spock]

Originally posted by X-Strontium Dog:

lot of hate out there for sniperz, you're not gonna get much sympathy for not being able to play as one.

If thats the case then maybe its better to just remove the class all together, better than the same muppets getting it over and over again

[Roninman]

Originally posted by Mr Spock:

Originally posted by X-Strontium Dog:

lot of hate out there for sniperz, you're not gonna get much sympathy for not being able to play as one.

If thats the case then maybe its better to just remove the class all together, better than the same muppets getting it over and over again

If there is dedicated 2 man squad who openly communicate with other SLs too instead of just 1 guy who wants to be that class its better that way. Ive played maybe 1 match as sniper and 1 match as SL on recon team and that was back in 2019. Ive heard in SL chat some very good recon teams openly spotting targets and harassing enemy flanks, then popcorn players who are totally silent and just hunt for random kills.

[MedicRabbit]

Originally posted by Mr Spock:

Originally posted by X-Strontium Dog:

lot of hate out there for sniperz, you're not gonna get much sympathy for not being able to play as one.

If thats the case then maybe its better to just remove the class all together, better than the same muppets getting it over and over again

Hi,

Speaking for the "Muppets": Nah, because guys like you either refuse to communicate in voice, or start getting rude, especially if you're asked to make room for a buddy. If you're this upset about it, pick a new server.

[Mr Spock]

Originally posted by MedicRabbit:

Originally posted by Mr Spock:

If thats the case then maybe its better to just remove the class all together, better than the same muppets getting it over and over again

Hi,

Speaking for the "Muppets": Nah, because guys like you either refuse to communicate in voice, or start getting rude, especially if you're asked to make room for a buddy. If you're this upset about it, pick a new server.

Meh, ill just move the install to my 980 pro and lock the squad out as soon as it loads, no one gets it this way.

[M4TT]

some server say that both recon squad members need to be in the squad and no locking it waiting for their mate but they also need to enforce that in the server.

[Mr Spock]

Originally posted by M4TT:

some server say that both recon squad members need to be in the squad and no locking it waiting for their mate but they also need to enforce that in the server.

Yea, i havent seen any of those types of servers in Oceania. But it shows that it is clearly an issue if some servers are making rules about it.

[Digital Merc]

Considering the amount of 'zomfg i never gets to be teh sniperz!" posts that crop up almost weekly... i would not be opposed to simply getting rid of the class. More people cry about 'not getting the scope' ...waa waa waa... than any other single complain in the game, aside from optimization.

Besides, nine times out of ten, the snipers/recon squad end up camping the front lines, and don't actually do RECON... as in, infiltrating enemy lines, finding their spawns, reporting tank positions, etc... sadly, most people who 'want' to play recon actually just want to sit in a building for an hour 'gettings the kills, bros!' ...which is a total misuse of the recon squad.

I wish it was more era-specific realistic... make it a commander-call in ability that "whatever squad" the commander picks gets to "unlock" a rifleman class with a scope... this way a few players we actually WANT to have scopes, will get one [keep it only 1 scope per squad, 2 scopes in game]... and they'll [hopefully] only be in squads with people using mics and talking in command chat.

that, or give the commander the ability to boot people out of the recon squad, because most of the 'recon duo' teams are trash at reporting anything... or pushing past/around the frontline.

[Roninman]

Originally posted by Mr Spock:

Originally posted by MedicRabbit:

Hi,

Speaking for the "Muppets": Nah, because guys like you either refuse to communicate in voice, or start getting rude, especially if you're asked to make room for a buddy. If you're this upset about it, pick a new server.

Meh, ill just move the install to my 980 pro and lock the squad out as soon as it loads, no one gets it this way.

And then servers admins pick this up and ask in voice chat what will you say before getting kicked out for being selfish ahole ?

[Riskbreaker Wolf]

I play recon with my brother. He plays spotter and it works like a dream. Wish the spotter could get the same combat score for every rifle kill made because almost every kill is a joint effort. We play the role well, plenty of comms with others squads and the cmder, calling out tanks, troop movements and OP's etc. Contrast this to playing with some random bloke with no comms and its ♥♥♥♥. So yeah, keep them locked and seethe :)

[Caelib]

Absolutely "no" to this recommendation. Most recon squads are filled by two players who have a history of working together so the ability to lock the squad is necessary.

Many players who want to play "sniper" do so because they just want to sit in a house and rack up a high kill count. The role of the recon team is best served disrupting enemy supply links and busting garrisons deep behind enemy lines.

The recon team's specialized rules for OP placement makes it the only unit type capable of effectively fulfilling this game-winning responsibility.

[Default]

Originally posted by Mr Spock:

Meh, ill just move the install to my 980 pro and lock the squad out as soon as it loads, no one gets it this way.

You're not the only one with a 980 pro, bud, and it isn't even the fastest thing on the market atm.

I play in Oceania, and I've really not had that much problem getting a recon squad. But it's a matter of 'fair go', to some extent. I don't try and get it every time because that would be kind of balls. That said - there's often an agreement in recon teams to play two games, and swap the roles if possible.

Send an email to the devs and see if they have ideas to sort it if it's bothering you so much.

You can 'kind of snipe' with a lot of the rifles though... so you aren't really missing anything but the scope.

[Default]

Originally posted by Digital Merc:

Besides, nine times out of ten, the snipers/recon squad end up camping the front lines, and don't actually do RECON... as in, infiltrating enemy lines, finding their spawns, reporting tank positions, etc... sadly, most people who 'want' to play recon actually just want to sit in a building for an hour 'gettings the kills, bros!' ...which is a total misuse of the recon squad.

Getting mad kills is a bit pointless as a sniper; it's of limited help to sit outside a cap point and just ping heads for hours inflating your k/d (except, arguably, on defence).

But your complaints sort of miss the point - I've gone 'fake recon' often, by simply starting a locked infantry squad and playing solo as a spotting squad command when actual recon isn't doing it.

The binoculars are available to every squad commander, and 'fake recon' can do pretty much all the same stuff, OP wise. The only think you're missing is a guy with a scope, which really isn't as important as getting behind lines and taking out supplies/garrisons/nodes.

But, half the time, spotting is pointless anyway. There are a lot of times I've been recon, spotting tanks, and the commander has shouted "Just get your AT to kill it, stop telling me."

Honestly; it's a mixed bag all round.

What I would *LOVE* to see would be nodes be slightly faster to take down. The time requirement atm is insane. I had a game recently where I found nine next to each other, and I suspect I was probably bush-worming for about 15 minutes with an audio book on. That's not exactly 'fun gameplay'.

[Panzergrenadier-au]

I reckon,based on gaming reasons, everyone should have a share experience with others-bad or good what so ever. If you can enlightned youself and it would be a happier person in the end. All squads should be unlocked. First in first serve.