Assault Class Difference

[Wesley Snipes]

Why is the Gewehr 43 available as a lvl 1 Assault player on the axis, yet the SVT-40 isn't on the Allies? Is it simply because the USSR gets the PPSH? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[Dr Spetz]

Originally posted by BootYourFace:

Originally posted by Dr. Spetz:

This is one of the reasons there is a serious balance problem on the Eastern front. The factions are so imbalanced in favour of Germany at the moment it is starting to become community breaking.

However, a better balance solution that is more historically accurate is to remove the G43 and the STG44 from Germany in the East. The MG42 should also be removed.

Meh, the Germans had them later in the war anyway. If the map was the "battle of berlin" wouldn't it still be unbalanced in your opinion?

Well then a different balance solution is needed. As they are the factions are imbalanced. That is less fun for 50% of the server and THAT is not good for retention. Just look at Staxis in RO2. It's already happening on the Eastern front in HLL. Nothing illustrates this more than playing Offensive modes.

[NitoAndTheFunkyBunch]

Originally posted by Dr. Spetz:

Originally posted by NitoAndTheFunkyBunch:

Its one of the few remnants of asymmetric balance left in the game. The classes do not have to be 1-1 mirrors of eachother, nor does that make for interesting gameplay. They can have different strengths and weaknesses that add variety and identity to each faction.

The factions are not currently asymmetrically balanced. They are imbalanced. Not balanced = imbalanced.

Asymmetrically balanced is a misnomer.

Theyre imbalanced in general. But the assault class example here specifically is not. The german assault is not better than the russian one, just different.

[Wesley Snipes]

Originally posted by NitoAndTheFunkyBunch:

Originally posted by Dr. Spetz:

The factions are not currently asymmetrically balanced. They are imbalanced. Not balanced = imbalanced.

Asymmetrically balanced is a misnomer.

Theyre imbalanced in general. But the assault class example here specifically is not. The german assault is not better than the russian one, just different.

IMO, the German assault class is better. Yeah the PPSH is neat, but beyond 80-100 yards it's nearly useless, it's pure luck if you actually manage to land a headshot and there's been instances where helmets are dinked, yet it doesn't kill them. Perhaps it's a bug, or maybe it's just a client-side thing, I'm honestly not positive. The Germans, however, are superior in the assault class thanks to the accuracy of both, the Gewehr and the MP40. Again, it's just my opinion.

[Dr Spetz]

Originally posted by NitoAndTheFunkyBunch:

Originally posted by Dr. Spetz:

The factions are not currently asymmetrically balanced. They are imbalanced. Not balanced = imbalanced.

Asymmetrically balanced is a misnomer.

Theyre imbalanced in general. But the assault class example here specifically is not. The german assault is not better than the russian one, just different.

What?! You could not be more wrong. The StG 44 is a game breaking gun good at close and medium range while usable at long. The Russians have no equivalent and do not have the numbers to compensate since MG42s, MP40s and G43s are in excess.

[Mortarch Of Blood]

Originally posted by Overweight Male:

It would be nice to at least get a 91/30. Every other assault class gets a close and mid range option. It wouldn't be a issue if the PPSH wasn't a worse smg than MP-40. If they toned down the muzzle flash and smoke on the PPSH I feel it would be a good gun.

Not sure what you're on about with the MP40. I find it's a terrific gun that I can use at range and also tear enemy apart at close...

[NitoAndTheFunkyBunch]

Originally posted by Dr. Spetz:

Originally posted by NitoAndTheFunkyBunch:

Theyre imbalanced in general. But the assault class example here specifically is not. The german assault is not better than the russian one, just different.

What?! You could not be more wrong. The StG 44 is a game breaking gun good at close and medium range while usable at long. The Russians have no equivalent and do not have the numbers to compensate since MG42s, MP40s and G43s are in excess.

Thats the autorifleman, unless youre referring to lv9 loadout, which niether op nor I ever brought up, is broken even without comparing to other factions, and is behind such an insane grind that its rarely seen anyway.

[PocoLoco]

Many ppl comparing SMGs with automatic rifles.... def not the same thing folks! Also, the Gewehr is overated, the M1 garand is a much better weapon, it has more range and less recoil, i dont see axis overpowered at all

[holdem]

Originally posted by Rhaazerus:

Honestly, classes in general are kind of garbage.
You get a choice between loadout a or loadout b,
or if you're a special boy you can get loadout c!
The Automatic Rifleman is basically a minor variation of the Assault class.
The Sapper Engineer doesn't even get a hammer or a wrench, he instead gets 1 satchel.
He may as well be a variation of AT, but even the AT loadouts get hammers.

It's all about being modular these days.
Classes should consist of a set of gear specific to each class, and you can pick and choose, mix and match, to an extent.
There's somewhat of an example of this with the gear points system in Day of Infamy - You have a certain amount of points and each item you can select within your class costs x amount of points.
Why can't I play as a German support class, carrying explosive ammo and using a K9?
Why can't I carry AT mines and use the M1 Garand instead?
Feels very limited, like mom gets to choose what we wear to battle.

points lol
how about using weight limit instead.......

[Wesley Snipes]

Originally posted by PocoLoco:

Many ppl comparing SMGs with automatic rifles.... def not the same thing folks! Also, the Gewehr is overated, the M1 garand is a much better weapon, it has more range and less recoil, i dont see axis overpowered at all

This thread is mainly about how Axis gets the G43, MP40, and also the STG-44 in their assault class, while the USSR gets the PPSH. Read the initial post. It's not about the Germans being overpowered, it's about how the class system blows. It seems as if most people are aware of and agree with this point.