M1 Garand Nerf Pls

[Spy]

The m1 garand iss to fast , some players use a engien bug , the are schooting so fast and strafe same time, so the k98 is not abel to hit.

pls make the m1 garand a bit slower in re-schoot speed.
myby 1/2 sec per schoot.

its a pain in the ground to play vs a experience"bug" user.

[Wizo]

yes it is

[[ACPL] Jon]

What bug? And IMO M1 is as strong as it should be, they need to buff the K98 (mostly the "too relaxed" reload) as pointed out a few times.

[TankGoodness]

Please do not slow it down.
Just equip the Gewehr-43 to all the other loadouts it is equally fast to shoot. Why is assault the only soldier to have that rifle? It would balance the game.

[[BLK] Telu]

Fix the Thompson and the MP40 also then.

[Propagandalf]

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by TankGoodness:

Please do not slow it down.
Just equip the Gewehr-43 to all the other loadouts it is equally fast to shoot. Why is assault the only soldier to have that rifle? It would balance the game.

No no no no and NO.

This is what's called "Symmetrical balance". The developers are specifically aiming for "Asymmetrical balance" whereby each faction can potentially play its own strengths instead of having every loadout be virtually the same across the board.

Exactly this! The M1 and the K98 ARE SIMPLY NOT SIMILAR. They have different characteristics besides being bolt-action / semi-auto. It is what is was like - simple as that.

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Lux Aeterna:

Originally posted by datCookie:

No no no no and NO.

This is what's called "Symmetrical balance". The developers are specifically aiming for "Asymmetrical balance" whereby each faction can potentially play its own strengths instead of having every loadout be virtually the same across the board.

Exactly this! The M1 and the K98 ARE SIMPLY NOT SIMILAR. They have different characteristics besides being bolt-action / semi-auto. It is what is was like - simple as that.

Previously in HLL Garand and Carbine had smaller iron sight circle, like original has. The current one is too big and unrealistic making Garand overpowered comparing to reality.

On top of that recoil is too low, sway doesn't exists.

Simply:

- Garand is overpowered comparing to reality.

- Kar 98 is underpowered comparing to reality as faster bolt cycle is easily achievable.

Asymmetrical yes but there's no balance.

[Hawk]

lol

[Pak0tac]

USA had superior arms tech and fire power (historically), deal with it

[Jurki]

Originally posted by PBSr Jedi:

Originally posted by Lux Aeterna:

Exactly this! The M1 and the K98 ARE SIMPLY NOT SIMILAR. They have different characteristics besides being bolt-action / semi-auto. It is what is was like - simple as that.

Previously in HLL Garand and Carbine had smaller iron sight circle, like original has. The current one is too big and unrealistic making Garand overpowered comparing to reality.

On top of that recoil is too low, sway doesn't exists.

Simply:

- Garand is overpowered comparing to reality.

- Kar 98 is underpowered comparing to reality as faster bolt cycle is easily achievable.

Asymmetrical yes but there's no balance.

Good summary but you forgot the nearly non existing bullet drop on the M1.

[Jurki]

Originally posted by Sgt.Summer:

USA had superior arms tech and fire power (historically), deal with it

Deal with the fact that there are people who can substantially disagree with you based on evidence

[[ACPL] Jon]

Originally posted by Sgt.Summer:

USA had superior arms tech and fire power (historically), deal with it

MP'44, MG34 and MG42 say hi, Panther says hi too.

And that's coming from USA weaponry fanboi.

[Jurki]

Originally posted by huma474:

Originally posted by ACPL Jon:

MP'44, MG34 and MG42 say hi, Panther says hi too.

And that's coming from USA weaponry fanboi.

The BAR, Ma Deuce, and Hellcat say hi back

The BAR... really? Why is it that bigots have to visit balance related topics that often?

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Fsjg-Rgt.29| Jurkl SJ:

Good summary but you forgot the nearly non existing bullet drop on the M1.

Indeed I forgot, thank you.

Originally posted by huma474:

The BAR, Ma Deuce, and Hellcat say hi back

When I was a kid playing Medal of Honor I also thought BAR is the coolest weapon.

Now being semi old boar :) I know that this construction from 1917 weight 8.6 kg without magazine!!!!! was practically useless. Do you know that during 1 WW there were 3 operators for 1 BAR and the shooter kept stock in the special pocket :D!!!!

Hellcat produced between 1943-1944 in number of 2507. "...European Theatre of Operations varied from 136 in June 1944 to a high of 540 in March 1945...".

There were not so many but useful. This could be nice addition to the game instead of fake "easy eight".

[Fumb Duck]

Originally posted by PBSr Jedi:

Originally posted by Lux Aeterna:

Exactly this! The M1 and the K98 ARE SIMPLY NOT SIMILAR. They have different characteristics besides being bolt-action / semi-auto. It is what is was like - simple as that.

Previously in HLL Garand and Carbine had smaller iron sight circle, like original has. The current one is too big and unrealistic making Garand overpowered comparing to reality.

On top of that recoil is too low, sway doesn't exists.

Simply:

- Garand is overpowered comparing to reality.

- Kar 98 is underpowered comparing to reality as faster bolt cycle is easily achievable.

Asymmetrical yes but there's no balance.

The Garand is overpowered? have you compared the cartridge size of a 30-06 to an 8mm? Theyre basically the same with the 30-06 actually being larger...

[Jedi]

Originally posted by Hellenkiller™:

Originally posted by PBSr Jedi:

Previously in HLL Garand and Carbine had smaller iron sight circle, like original has. The current one is too big and unrealistic making Garand overpowered comparing to reality.

On top of that recoil is too low, sway doesn't exists.

Simply:

- Garand is overpowered comparing to reality.

- Kar 98 is underpowered comparing to reality as faster bolt cycle is easily achievable.

Asymmetrical yes but there's no balance.

The Garand is overpowered? have you compared the cartridge size of a 30-06 to an 8mm? Theyre basically the same with the 30-06 actually being larger...

He he you mean 30-06 (7.62×63mm) to 7.92×57mm which both Kar98 and Gewehr 43 used.

Garand 402m of effective range max 700m

Kar 98 700m of effective range up to 1000m max with scope.

Ones again. Garand in HLL is absolutely overpowered comparing to other weapons but also reality.