The Lean Mechanic

[Wolf.Enstein]

The lean mechanic can be beneficial to any "FPS" game, if utilised correctly. In older games that I play, such as "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" and "Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory", it gives the player the ability to spy on enemy positions from a place of concealment, but what it doesn't do is to add the ability to then shoot the enemy whilst doing so.

In other words, you can lean, but you can't shoot. If this is how the lean function is going to be added in "Hell Let Loose" then I'm all for it. However, if the ability to shoot the enemy at the same time is also implemented then I'm totally against it.

Adding the lean function with the ability to shoot the enemy at the same time is quite rightly regarded by many players as being the "cowards' mechanic". Every camper and stat-obsessed "k/d junkie" loves to exploit this function, they'll be on their knees right now, praying that their beloved "prone-lean" is also available to them with the next game update.

When the lean/shoot function is added to any game, even the teamplayers and objective-focussed players end up having to use it in order to try and survive. Every player soon learns that avoiding getting shot in the head can be increased by walking whilst leaning and you then get to see the most ridiculous spectacle in-game where all players are approaching an objective as they lean to the side.

This will be the type of close-quarter combat we'll see at Jacob's Farm, if the "cowards' mechanic" is added to "Hell Let Loose":

https://youtu.be/I5HD_JpwpV0

This is what fighting in the streets of Saint-Marie-Du-Mont will look like:

https://youtu.be/O051fYuXv9Y

Anyone who claims that they want this function to be added to "Hell Let Loose" and at the same time claim that they want the game to be realistic is a hypocrite. You can lean all the way over to the left or right, regardless of whether you're right-handed or left-handed, whilst holding a 10lb rifle in your hands and still have deadly accurate aim? That's realistic is it?

I know my concerns about this will be ignored, but I'm posting them anyway.



(edit: typo)

[Nordkindchen]

Escape from Tarkov has a lean mechanic as well, and you dont see it beeing used like that.

Here are two answers regarding left handed shooting while approaching corners from Quora:

First:
https://www.quora.com/How-is-shooting-from-the-left-shoulder-seen-in-the-military/answer/Sean-McClung

Second:
https://www.quora.com/How-is-shooting-from-the-left-shoulder-seen-in-the-military/answer/Robert-Delano-1


Leaning is STRONGLY needed as you currently expose WAY more of your body than you would in real life situations. Therefore leaning is a MUST-HAVE!


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However I agree to some degree that a lean mechanic COULD be abused in the way shown above.

One restriction to stop it from beeing abused would be to add a small moment after leaning left, before you can lean right. This would also be authentic since your body has some inertia.

Another restriction COULD be to limit it to standing still.

Its the way Red Orchestra 2 did it. It definately will stop it from beeing abused, but at the same time it feels a little clunky.

Anyway - Leaning is an essential part of infantry combat and needs to come. I agree that it should be implemented in a way thats not abusable though ofc.

Best regards

[Wolf.Enstein]

Originally posted by Nordkindchen:

Leaning is an essential part of infantry combat and needs to come. I agree that it should be implemented in a way thats not abusable though ofc.

That's what I said in my original post, add the "lean" function, but don't combine it with the ability to shoot whilst doing so. That's the ONLY way it won't be abused.

[Rudels]

the devs have indicated it is in the works, vaulting has higher priority atm.

[Big Duke]

Originally posted by RudelsStrudel:

the devs have indicated it is in the works, vaulting has higher priority atm.

yeah i thought i read that as well.

be patient. the game is EA and lots of sht will be added, especially thru effective community feedback.

[cZ]

still no lean ?

[Rat Bastard]

Lean was added quite awhile ago.

[Chef]

Originally posted by cZ':

still no lean ?

Threads that are older than the EA release date can prove to be, well...outdated.