German Swastika being censored?

[Damian]

Hello

Haven't played in a few weeks, started playing again today, first thing I noticed was the censoring of the swastika. what's going on?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1806727753

[Biggie ŠmáłłⓈ▣]

Messaggio originale di Nick:

Why was this the first thing you noticed

well its a game about WW2 their should be swastikas' and red arm bands with swastikas' so you can feel like a nazi i mean like its WW2 FFS

[Clearwood]

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[Splattergutz]

Messaggio originale di datCookie:

Messaggio originale di Biggie ŠmáłłⓈ▣:

well its a game about WW2 their should be swastikas' and red arm bands with swastikas' so you can feel like a nazi i mean like its WW2 FFS

Why revive a 2 year old thread for this?

I think it's worth raising the subject again. I don't give a hoot about the politics. What about the realism???

Also, like where's the Waffen SS. Those guys had the best uniforms.

[fatty_boombalatty]

yeah it's pretty ridiculous. it should not be censored.

[Summerdreams]

First of all - to not let anybody forget it - thanks A LOT to C++ for actually defending what you said, i totally agree

Now back to topic.
Symbols like that swastika, red star (sowiet union) are forbidden in several countries (both actually in germany e.g.). The swastika is - as i remember - allowed for historical accuracy. Thats why you can see it in wolfenstein. BUT, in wolfenstein YOU FIGHT the nazis. In HLL you can PLAY as them and yes, the wehrmacht also took part in many nazi-crimes, they actually followed orders to shoot sowiet officers as a perfect example. Heres the big difference: in one game you fight them, in the other game you are actually able to roleplay fighting as a wehrmacht- / SS- / (worst case) Waffen-SS-soldier against americans / sowiets (/ other factions in other games).
Thats why im fine with it. Ofc i love historical accuracy, thats why im happy with accurate uniforms / weapons etc.. A missing symbol on a uniform, which im not able to see 99,99999% of the time (i actually NEVER saw it in ANY WW2 game so far), does not make me feel like somethings missing at all. I imagine as well, that those symbols wouldve been covered by mud and stuff following a battle. Id be happier, if they would add medals like iron cross or other military symbols to increase immersion. A symbol, which has to be seen in the way its been abused for, should be shown to people allowed to see it and restricted for people who are not allowed to see it.

In my opinion: if you are german and spent much time within your life so far to get information about ns-germany, wehrmacht, (waffen-)SS, ww2, concentration camps (also visited one), war crimes, etc. , you might be able to understand the POV of banning such a symbol. Even in cases like this.

[Dont be Silly Wrap your Willy]

If they censor Swastikas they should also censor communist symbols as well since they killed way,way more people than Nazies ever did.

But ofc , Nazies = Bad , everyone else = good....

[Summerdreams]

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

If they censor Swastikas they should also censor communist symbols as well since they killed way,way more people than Nazies ever did.

But ofc , Nazies = Bad , everyone else = good....

And here we go again: one step closer to relativizing what happened back then ...

First of all: nobody in this forum ever asked for not censoring communist symbols. Second: most of these symbols are already restricted. Third: you can read about such comparisons, since there are many (scientific) texts out there discussing hitler / stalin (mostly, guess why ;) ) / whoever comparisons.

To keep it SIMPLE(!!): hitler INTENDED to kill all the people who have been killed. In most occasions, stalin killed people because they didnt agree with him, since hes been also a psychopath and didnt trust anyone (refering to the fate of his familiies members). Hitler killed, because he actually believed in racism. Gulags have been built to kill people, but rather to "reeducate" people and the combination of harsh conditions made people die. Yet in the first place, you havent been sent there to die. A concentration camp, or better: EXTERMINATION camps like auschwitz, had one and only one intention: murdering entire ethnicies / group of people. Whether theyve been jewish, sinti and roma, homosexuals, etc..
Nobody is saying stalin has been "good" compared to hitler, but claiming stalin would be worse than hitler just based on numbers is way off. A discussion about this in general is complicated, thats why i tried to keep it "simple"

Simply comparing hitler to stalin / whoever on a quantitative basis is completely "daft" (citation). Imagine what wouldve happened if hitler actually won. You cant, just because of the super high amount of cruelty further beyond what we know about what the nazis already did ...

A sentence like: nazis = bad, everyone else = good, should not even be debatable in any way and i hope everyone knows why, because its just plain wrong. Otherwise, think of yourself in general, thats my POV.

[Dont be Silly Wrap your Willy]

Messaggio originale di Summerdreams:

To keep it SIMPLE(!!): hitler INTENDED to kill all the people who have been killed. In most occasions, stalin killed people because they didnt agree with him,

Yes, tell that from 4 (low estimate) to 13 ( high estimate ) million Ukrainians killed in Holodomor . Did they 'disagree' with Stalin ? Or were they just starved to death by Stalin just because ?

Also tell that to pretty much any kind of intellectual , teacher , a specialist of whoom most were put to hard work in Gulags with most of them worked to death.

What sort of 'reeducation' is that supposed to be? Unless Stalin was trying to reeducate them from being 'alive' .

Everyone tends to forget about Holocausts in Soviet Union . 2.7 Million jews were executed in Soviet Union just for being jews.

You read some middle school grade history book and think you know anything about WW2 ? Dont forget the saying ' history is written by winners ' . You are so grosley miss informed it hurts my head.

Soviets performed ethnic clensings,racial clensings, religious . Also they killed homosexuals and people with disabilities .

Please, professor , tell me why cant i compare Stalin with Hitler? Hm ?

P.S If you personally are fortunate enough to be from a place in a world which wasnt ravaged by Soviets i'm happy for you. But a lot of people are not so have some efing sense and courtesy not to spread this hipster woke BS .

[Summerdreams]

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

Yes, tell that from 4 (low estimate) to 13 ( high estimate ) million Ukrainians killed in Holodomor . Did they 'disagree' with Stalin ? Or were they just starved to death by Stalin just because ?

Especially this topic is "not clear" at first. There are also economical reasons for this catastrophe, on the other side you have murders towards a social-class (kulaks), which has some similarities to hitler.
Besides that, its not clear (yet) whether it should be called genocide, but this doesnt make it any better.
Thats why i said: to keep it SIMPLE, in the respective context.

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

While the reasons behind are difficult to put into "cultural"
Also tell that to pretty much any kind of intellectual , teacher , a specialist of whoom most were put to hard work in Gulags with most of them worked to death.

What sort of 'reeducation' is that supposed to be? Unless Stalin was trying to reeducate them from being 'alive' .

This happened to how many "usual" criminals in concentration camps (besides the usage to erase ethinicies) in germany? And how does it make stalin "better" than hitler, since hitler did exactly the same?

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

Please, professor , tell me why cant i compare Stalin with Hitler? Hm ?

First of all, you compared hitler to stalin simply by numbers, heres the citation

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

If they censor Swastikas they should also censor communist symbols as well since they killed way,way more people than Nazies ever did.

But ofc , Nazies = Bad , everyone else = good....

Besides that, before you claim you "cant compare stalin to hitler", reread my following sentences:

Messaggio originale di Summerdreams:

Nobody is saying stalin has been "good" compared to hitler, but claiming stalin would be worse than hitler just based on numbers is way off. A discussion about this in general is complicated, thats why i tried to keep it "simple"

I never claimed that. I just said: claiming that hitler is BETTER (since being worse than stalin results in being better, doesnt it?) than stalin is not correct.

Messaggio originale di Dont be silly Wrap your willy:

P.S If you personally are fortunate enough to be from a place in a world which wasnt ravaged by Soviets i'm happy for you. But a lot of people are not so have some efing sense and courtesy not to spread this hipster woke BS .

I live in the country being responsible for WW2. My country is responsible for holocaust, for 50 - 75 million deaths (simplified, because germany is not responsible for the chinese-japanese war e.g.). So i do know the history of my country and i am pissed off if ANYONE tries to relativize hitler just for a really tiny bit. Accordingly my reactions to such statements are like this. Maybe you can understand this

[kingsbishop7]

OP Every time am involved in this conversation, with all the who, what, when, where, and why's the topic leads to religion, politics, and fears and the topic/stream/thread then gets banned. So I am pretty much leaving this alone...

[mobucks]

What the hell is wrong with all the trolls on this board just looking for any tiny thing to complain about. Pathetic.

[Jonno]

I think OP has their answer now.

Will put a lid on this as it risks devolving into arguments.