Vote Kick = Useless?

[adt.Shadow]

Can we get a better system for kicking people please? Constantly getting griefed and nothing you can do about it. People dismantling outposts and supplies, shooting rockets at tanks to damage them. You vote to kick and even though a bunch of people say yes they dont get kicked...

Its pretty frustrating.

[FrankyFourFingers]

Votekick needs to be votekick, Punish that needs to be something else, not a shortcut to votekick.

[Lancer Echo]

I'd like to see votekick only require 80% of the squad leaders, so that one SL can report on voip and decide to kick or not.

[moron_with_a_gun]

if i am not mistaken, the threshold for a successful kick is 55% of total server population. I believe that this is WAY too high. If you think about it, if you manage to annoy even 20% of your team, you probably earned a kick. Most of the time if someone has no idea why a vote is happening, they seem to vote no. I've even been in situations where the command chat lights up with all the squad leaders agreeing that a person needs to be kicked, the info being passed out to everyone in each squad, and yet the person does not get kicked. the only reliable way to remove someone who is griefing a round seems to have an admin in the game...

[[SE:VH] dimu]

VOTE KICK should only be activated by the time and not the whole server. So 55% of an successful kick by the team will be more resanable.There are many situations where the team agrees with VOTE KICK, but do not get enough votes, because the other team did not know whats going on.

[Data-7]

Sometimes even your team don't knows what's going on, two days ago my officer wanted to kick me because I wasn't building support, i told him i'm antitank! But he continue to ask me to deploy support!

[Private Paula]

In my whole playtime i saw only 4 votekicks succeeding and only 1 map change, lmao.

[Depraved]

Data-7, Not to drag this too off topic but I have had squad members who refuse to take a position I needed to complete what command has asked of our squad. Support is a huge one that a squad cannot be effective without(unless they are just running and gunning with no mission). If nobody will redeploy for the next 5 min or so after asking the mission is irrelevant and the game no fun as there isn't teamwork or victory. Command has to know his SLs are going to try to accomplish his orders or say why. If I, as SL, felt a player's current role wasn't as or more important than what I needed and they refused to switch I have had to kick(explaining first) to make room for a more flexible member. Not that you did anything wrong but that could well be it. It's vary rare for me as I will usually just quit mid-game if members can't or won't cooperate. Those matches are not fun. Just another perspective on it.

[Emme]

The thing with votekick is, nobody knows why to hit that yes or no button. So votekick def needs a rework and showing players a reason what the player got voted for. Otherwise it'll stay a no brainer.

[Depraved]

Dyerektor, I'm trying to provide actual things to consider and not just venting. For some reason you appear to always be right on my heels ready to counter with complaints.
Perhaps it was a suggestion but "double rolling" or triple rolling to also build nodes - dying, jumping in and out in multiple roles, vs. a squad well-balanced with what it needs? Makes perfect sense. That and your solo tanking and no mics and, yes, I would then agree "it doesn't live up to many peoples expectations"

[Private Paula]

Holy Moly that's alot of Text.

[Cylixx]

Lets see, who necro'd this crap? Up up up, ahh; it was [SE:VH] dimu. You sir, leave much to be desired.

And Dyerecktor, maybe save your whole morning for a thread that matters.

[Data-7]

Originally posted by Depraved:

Data-7, Not to drag this too off topic but I have had squad members who refuse to take a position I needed to complete what command has asked of our squad. Support is a huge one that a squad cannot be effective without(unless they are just running and gunning with no mission). If nobody will redeploy for the next 5 min or so after asking the mission is irrelevant and the game no fun as there isn't teamwork or victory. Command has to know his SLs are going to try to accomplish his orders or say why. If I, as SL, felt a player's current role wasn't as or more important than what I needed and they refused to switch I have had to kick(explaining first) to make room for a more flexible member. Not that you did anything wrong but that could well be it. It's vary rare for me as I will usually just quit mid-game if members can't or won't cooperate. Those matches are not fun. Just another perspective on it.

I understand what you say but can a game really work this way? I enter the server to have fun and relax, maybe i'm a new player, i find someone who starto to tell me which role to take, where to go, what to do (and often are also wrong decisions) and if i don't execute i will be kick from the server? Who can enjoy a game like this?
Maybe we could have squads so who want can play in team but also free players so everyone can do what they want and we all can have fun. Anyway maybe is better ask to someone to leave the team than kick him.

[Depraved]

Yeah, TLDR
Data-7, No, not if that type of kicking is rampant but I think you'll find it isn't. We have all lost connection to server or been kicked to make room for a friend, or whatever but it isn't common enough to put us off forever. I was just letting you know that maybe there was a good reason that wasn't obvious and the the SL wasn't good at conveying. It is fairly common to have players ignore your requests as SL including a request for someone to "come back in as support", etc. You can explain why you need something which some players will complain is verbose and is just ignored by others - sometimes you just can't win. All this is why I said I just bail if it's going that direction. Play SL a bit and you'll get the feel of what I mean. Certainly asking, warning, whatever, is polite but I imagine sometimes after requesting over and over an SL just removes the player to make room for the next who might help out. There are always squads of non-conformists who seldom have a SL and are running and gunning so that option is always there and already in the game. Also, you can always create one.
I will say those ronin squads can and do hurt strategy many times. Example, your squad is ordered by command to flank wide and set up a flanking garrison. SL tells his men the move. Lets say they all comply(fun game) and you move out. Players are on you so they know they are not to engage unless spotted and fired upon from closer range. Should be obvious but it isn't and is a restraint for all of us. You will need that support guy there for supplies as an airdrop just gives away your building position. You get the garrison up and immediately the ronin shooters spawn there firing from 400yds giving away your presence and the flanking move before the attack starts. The still-weak, developing flank is overwhelmed and the gari destroyed before a coordinated attack is formed. Happens all the time. Some think this is way too strategic for the game but if you have played a well-coordinated game you see it or the lack of it every match.
Hope that makes sense. Something to think about.

[Data-7]

@Depraved clear, i agree

[500 Magnum]

Originally posted by adt.Shadow:

Can we get a better system for kicking people please? Constantly getting griefed and nothing you can do about it. People dismantling outposts and supplies, shooting rockets at tanks to damage them. You vote to kick and even though a bunch of people say yes they dont get kicked...

Its pretty frustrating.

Yes, it's useless and needs addresssing.