backstab is a mess.

[Takingdomscosimog]

totally inconsistent 50/50 am i missing something? what is the deal with it?

[Arcanyxia]

It's based on the back of the enemy based on their stance, rather than their actual back. So if an enemy has their left foot forward for like an attack or something, their actual backstab hitbox will be around their right thigh or so.
It takes a bit of practice to get used to, but I prefer it to normal backstab mechanics.

[Takingdomscosimog]

Originally posted by イオ:

It's based on the back of the enemy based on their stance, rather than their actual back. So if an enemy has their left foot forward for like an attack or something, their actual backstab hitbox will be around their right thigh or so.
It takes a bit of practice to get used to, but I prefer it to normal backstab mechanics.

so you can get it consistently? this problem for me occurs even when im sneaking up on them whilst theyre stationary too, as i would attempt to the same way in dark souls, really doesnt seem to be working properly, can get it almost always against training zone guy but not in the wild...

[GreyKarasu]

Well it fcking random. Sometimes you backstab in hip, sometimes can't backstab right behind enemy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1890061598
This one is not parry. It's "backstab" in the face.

[Washing Machine]

Depends on enemy really.
I still think it's sort of good that it's a bit unreliable, since the game would be baby easy if you could just backstab everything every time.

[Supreme Hentai System Lord]

Honestly i have seen this posted before and i don't get it, i found backstab in this game too easy to input once you get used to each enemy type, to the point that i will actively avoid using it at times.

[Takingdomscosimog]

Originally posted by GreyKarasu:

Well it fcking random. Sometimes you backstab in hip, sometimes can't backstab right behind enemy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1890061598
This one is not parry. It's "backstab" in the face.

wow lol yeah glad its not just me though to be honest, backstabs pretty much became my bread n butter vs tougher mobs in ds, shame too cos theyre satisfying in this game.

[GreyKarasu]

It's not good in all ways if you can't be sure what you are doing. Make it dmg less/harder to go behind enemy but not this gamble. I have thousands hours in souls-like ones and here i can't be sure i will perform backstab and sometimes it's crucial. Well i found that stunlock is much more reliable - strategy i never used before.

[Takingdomscosimog]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

Depends on enemy really.
I still think it's sort of good that it's a bit unreliable, since the game would be baby easy if you could just backstab everything every time.

hmm i kind of get that to be fair, i think im just realising that i pretty much took it for granted in ds cos it is consistent there especially since i usually am not brave enough to try to go for parries on a lot of attacks too

[Washing Machine]

DS you move slower in general, I think in a faster game like this it's not a good idea to get instant iframes whenever you press light attack behind an enemy. Bloodborne they also balanced this by adding the charged strong attack as a requirement before you get a backstab.

Not to say there aren't some really janky interactions, I just had a Ceberus dude backstep away and I got a backstab from his belly during that. Lul.

[GrandTickler]

i feel like slender enemy types like those in the cathedral (anor londo) area have a much tighter backstab window than those big fat asylum demons, so you're definitely on to something.

i try not to focus too much on backstabbing enemies. whats more important is learning when they stagger, and combo that into a knockdown or launch attack (R1+square or R1+triangle)

[Shoaku]

Originally posted by korosu:

Originally posted by GreyKarasu:

Well it fcking random. Sometimes you backstab in hip, sometimes can't backstab right behind enemy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1890061598
This one is not parry. It's "backstab" in the face.

wow lol yeah glad its not just me though to be honest, backstabs pretty much became my bread n butter vs tougher mobs in ds, shame too cos theyre satisfying in this game.

Backstabs are a mess. You´re not alone in this one. I thought it might be a problem with me having set my game to 30 FPS due to my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ "gaming laptop".

[GrandTickler]

Originally posted by Shoaku:

Originally posted by korosu:

wow lol yeah glad its not just me though to be honest, backstabs pretty much became my bread n butter vs tougher mobs in ds, shame too cos theyre satisfying in this game.

Backstabs are a mess. You´re not alone in this one. I thought it might be a problem with me having set my game to 30 FPS due to my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ "gaming laptop".

looking at that other framerate thread i was starting to believe everything is not working as intended above 30 fps, but i guess backstabbing is janky even on 30 lol

[Blue Eyes White Coffee]

50/50?
more like 10/90 in my case

[DarkFenix]

Backstabs are just buggy as all hell. The way it seems to not work is that the animations for enemies turning are not synced perfectly to where the game code thinks they are. So what you see on screen isn't necessarily accurate and finding the backstab sweet spot is as much a matter of luck as anything else.

I noted this being particularly bad against those giant but scrawny-limbed enemies (both varieties). Unless I catch them unawares I find it essentially impossible to find their backstab spot, I'll maybe find it against 1 in 10 of them. The white knights in the Cathedral were really bad for this too, I can be facing what is obviously their back (taking stance into account) yet am completely unable to get a backstab.

[BlueKando]

Just aim for the right butt cheek. Works at least 80% of the time.