A second floor just to have jetways?

[twiigss]

At least at the BWI airport, everything is on one floor, including jetways. Like, the floors don't slope up at all, and there's no stairs or escalators leading to a second floor to walk down a jetway. I think if anything the jetway itself slopes up a little, then slopes back down as you approach the plane.

And this is boarding a 737 jet. It just seems a bit overkill to me.

[lodewijk [NL}]

the 737 plane stand (medium) in game has a jet way that starts on the ground floor.

the large plane stand for jets like the 747 and similar sized aircraft, have 2 jet ways (at least 90% of the ones i have seen in real life) one starting on the ground floor, and one starting on the level above. the 747 is a plane that has an upper deck after all. unlike the 737.

also the map is already kind of small, especially now with the large runway's and plane stands. so being able to build up. is kind of nice, since now my terminal building can be smaller.

[twiigss]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

the 737 plane stand (medium) in game has a jet way that starts on the ground floor.

I haven't seen that jetway. I went to place a medium, concrete stand, it tells me it requires a second floor. And I didn't see any other option for a single floor, medium stand, unless it's the asphalt medium stand?

[lodewijk [NL}]

when i place any stand, they will automatically be ground level, without any jet way. then you can upgrade the stand to include a jet way, it used to be that the jet way on the medium stand would just connect to the ground floor.

now with you saying what you are saying, im not sure anymore, the current airport i am building only has large stands and they do indeed need the second floor if you upgrade them to include a jet way.

before the second floor update, the jet ways on the medium stand connected to the ground floor, and you only needed to put a door where the jet way touches the wall.

i just threw down some stands in sandbox mode, and it appears that the medium sized jet way indeed needs to connect to a second floor, lets hope they give us a cheaper ground connected jet way option on the medium stand, or that a modder can add it in when the game is really finished. if you look at it realistically though it is correct. even in the jet ways ive personally been in that start on the ground floor. you always walk up first at an angle to a height that would pretty much be a second floor. and most modern airports have jetways that only start from the second floor, the few ground floor jetways that are left at schiphol airport for instance, also happen to be the oldest jetways still in use, and they probably will be replaced not too far in the future, if they have not been replaced already (its been about 7 years since ive been at schiphol airport which is my only local international airport)

if you really dont want to use the second floor, you can always not upgrade the stand, and simply place a door that connects to the stand service road cross walk, in which case you will need trucks with boarding stairs. and if the stand is away from your terminal, you'll need shuttle buses and airport side bus stops

[twiigss]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

when i place any stand, they will automatically be ground level, without any jet way. then you can upgrade the stand to include a jet way, it used to be that the jet way on the medium stand would just connect to the ground floor.

now with you saying what you are saying, im not sure anymore, the current airport i am building only has large stands and they do indeed need the second floor if you upgrade them to include a jet way.

before the second floor update, the jet ways on the medium stand connected to the ground floor, and you only needed to put a door where the jet way touches the wall.

i just threw down some stands in sandbox mode, and it appears that the medium sized jet way indeed needs to connect to a second floor, lets hope they give us a cheaper ground connected jet way option on the medium stand, or that a modder can add it in when the game is really finished. if you look at it realistically though it is correct. even in the jet ways ive personally been in that start on the ground floor. you always walk up first at an angle to a height that would pretty much be a second floor. and most modern airports have jetways that only start from the second floor, the few ground floor jetways that are left at schiphol airport for instance, also happen to be the oldest jetways still in use, and they probably will be replaced not too far in the future, if they have not been replaced already (its been about 7 years since ive been at schiphol airport which is my only local international airport)

if you really dont want to use the second floor, you can always not upgrade the stand, and simply place a door that connects to the stand service road cross walk, in which case you will need trucks with boarding stairs. and if the stand is away from your terminal, you'll need shuttle buses and airport side bus stops

Ahhh so there was a second floor update. Okay, didn't know that. That might be where it is coming from. Also, in other parts of the world, besides the USA, are there jet ways that are on a second floor only? Because here, even at Jacksonville Airport, the jet way was on a single floor.

Well I only really had two issues with the medium stands. First is that, in real life, when I flew a domestic Southwest Airlines flight out of BWI Airport, the jet way was all on one single floor, also because the 737's aren't double deckers. Now with double decker planes, okay I can completely understand needing to build a jet way on a second floor for access to the plane.

My other issue is some confusion with security. I built the second floor, put in the medium stand, and then I received a message about needing to connect that stand to security, but I was getting the impression I had to place down a brand new security desk on the second floor. I got frustrated and quit by that point.

Also, I'm having issues building shops and stores. Okay in real life, there are food shops and stores IN the secure areas of airports. At least at BWI there is. In this game, you can't do that. I wanted to build a food store inside the secure area, and no one uses it. Sooo again it's more frustration. I build the stores in the non-secure area, and I feel like it's not being done right.

Unless there is some workaround to being able to building shops and stores in the secure area?

But no, I do want to do it like a traditional airport, where the stands connect to the terminal. I took a relative to Dulles Airport once, and didn't really care for that layout vs. BWI or Jacksonville.

[lodewijk [NL}]

as far as i know you should be able to build stores and restaurants in your secure zone, i have never had problems with this. (not really 100% sure on food places, but normal stores should work) make sure you use the right type of zone, and ofcourse that you sign the right contract types. don't take the difficult contracts at the start, start off with some easy 1 star contracts.

as for the security, make sure your stairs to the second floor is AFTER your security checkpoints, and also ofcourse make sure that your entire second floor behind the security is actually Zoned as a secure zone.

and yea like i said, some airports do have the medium jetway (so for 737) starting on the ground floor, but at my local airport this is only at the old part of the airport, on the newer parts of the airport all jet ways start on the second floor.

https://c8.alamy.com/compde/e63n92/jetway-brucke-auf-ein-flugzeug-in-schiphol-flughafen-amsterdam-holland-europa-e63n92.jpg

[twiigss]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

as far as i know you should be able to build stores and restaurants in your secure zone, i have never had problems with this. (not really 100% sure on food places, but normal stores should work) make sure you use the right type of zone, and ofcourse that you sign the right contract types. don't take the difficult contracts at the start, start off with some easy 1 star contracts.

as for the security, make sure your stairs to the second floor is AFTER your security checkpoints, and also ofcourse make sure that your entire second floor behind the security is actually Zoned as a secure zone.

and yea like i said, some airports do have the medium jetway (so for 737) starting on the ground floor, but at my local airport this is only at the old part of the airport, on the newer parts of the airport all jet ways start on the second floor.

https://c8.alamy.com/compde/e63n92/jetway-brucke-auf-ein-flugzeug-in-schiphol-flughafen-amsterdam-holland-europa-e63n92.jpg

Is your local airport in Amsterdam? As far as I know in the US, all 737 jet ways start on the first floor.

[lodewijk [NL}]

yes my local airport is amsterdam.

and what do you exactly mean by 1st floor? in europe when someone says 1st floor, we think about the ground floor, since that is literally the first floor of the building.

if you mean 1st floor as in, the first floor above ground level, then yeah, all new 737 jet ways start on the 1st floor, above ground. (IE the second floor of the building)

though like i said there are a few jet ways at amsterdam airport which start on the 1st (ground level) floor. but these are old and will probably be replaced sooner rather then later.

[twiigss]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

yes my local airport is amsterdam.

and what do you exactly mean by 1st floor? in europe when someone says 1st floor, we think about the ground floor, since that is literally the first floor of the building.

if you mean 1st floor as in, the first floor above ground level, then yeah, all new 737 jet ways start on the 1st floor, above ground. (IE the second floor of the building)

though like i said there are a few jet ways at amsterdam airport which start on the 1st (ground level) floor. but these are old and will probably be replaced sooner rather then later.

Yea, ground level is what I meant by 1st floor. But these jet ways have been at this airport for as long as I can remember, since the 1980's.

Baggage is all on the lower floor, but when you enter, you enter with the kiosks and ticketing desks in front of you, and each area labeled as its own concourse, A, B, C, D and E. E is used for international flights and all the others are domestic flights.

I just consider the area in which you enter the first floor, as in you're on the ground level. If the airport was raised then I'm not sure.

[Bobweiser]

In reality most jetways are two floors high for example KDTW (Detroit) has jetways that have a decline to get to planes of smaller sizes but equal out to medium and large aircraft

[twiigss]

Originally posted by Bobweiser:

In reality most jetways are two floors high for example KDTW (Detroit) has jetways that have a decline to get to planes of smaller sizes but equal out to medium and large aircraft

And see, that's kind of what I thought at one point, but then it's like, I feel like everything is on a ground floor level. At least with your 737 jets. 747 and up I could see the higher height. I do know at BWI when you walk toward the international concourse, there is an up slope in the floor, so now that I think about it, probably that section does have higher jetways.

[Pyjamas in the daytime]

Originally posted by lodewijk NL}:

yes my local airport is amsterdam.

and what do you exactly mean by 1st floor? in europe when someone says 1st floor, we think about the ground floor, since that is literally the first floor of the building.

In this part of Europe (UK) we have Ground floor then 1st floor, 2nd floor and so on. 1st floor for us Brits is always above our heads. Yes, we do like to be awkward. Add in driving on the left and saying alu-min-ium to increase our awkwardness

[Pharma27]

So in my experience of airports I believe that in 99% of cases you are forced to go upstairs to departures after you have checked in on the ground floor and security will more than likely be on this floor or at least the departure lounge and gates will be. If you are then to board your aircraft via a jet bridge this will be from the 1st floor (floor above ground level) or potentially the 2nd floor if it was a larger aircraft. If you are to board via steps or it is a small plane not that far off the ground with it’s own steps in the door then you would most likely have to go back downstairs at the gate to walk across the tarmac/stand to board your flight.

I don’t believe any jet bridges begin on the ground floor in the UK anyway and this is reflected in the game making you build them on the 1st floor. In the UK I would say that we say ground floor for the ground floor or level 0 and then the first floor is the floor above the ground floor.

You should be able to build shops and cafes in both the secure and non secure zones, just make sure that if building in the secure zone that all the space from your security check point to your shop/scare is zoned as secure including the space where you want to build your shop/cafe and then you zone your shop/cafe and then accept a contact after building shelves/counters and then staff will arrive and your shop/cafe will open.

[Fredrik]

It is a conscious decision. Before we had multiple floors we had all jetways connect to the ground floor but it got pointed out a lot. So it pretty expected that once the multiple floor update was released, that all jetways should connect to the 2nd floor. Even if there are a few rare cases where they connect to the ground floor, it is quite some job to get it work and could risk making the whole process a lot more confusing.

[twiigss]

Originally posted by Pharma27:

So in my experience of airports I believe that in 99% of cases you are forced to go upstairs to departures after you have checked in on the ground floor and security will more than likely be on this floor or at least the departure lounge and gates will be. If you are then to board your aircraft via a jet bridge this will be from the 1st floor (floor above ground level) or potentially the 2nd floor if it was a larger aircraft. If you are to board via steps or it is a small plane not that far off the ground with it’s own steps in the door then you would most likely have to go back downstairs at the gate to walk across the tarmac/stand to board your flight.

I don’t believe any jet bridges begin on the ground floor in the UK anyway and this is reflected in the game making you build them on the 1st floor. In the UK I would say that we say ground floor for the ground floor or level 0 and then the first floor is the floor above the ground floor.

You should be able to build shops and cafes in both the secure and non secure zones, just make sure that if building in the secure zone that all the space from your security check point to your shop/scare is zoned as secure including the space where you want to build your shop/cafe and then you zone your shop/cafe and then accept a contact after building shelves/counters and then staff will arrive and your shop/cafe will open.

But this game in my opinion, should be able to reflect that of airports around the world, and not strictly how they are set up in the UK. Now I've never flown internationally, so I don't know how other airports are set up. But here in the US, when you walk through security, you're still on the same floor. There is no going up or down stairs.

I would have set it up more like this. Small stand = small airplanes. Medium stands = small airplanes and 737's only. Large stands = 747's only. Then that way, your small and medium stands can still have jetways connect to ground floor, and a large stand requires a second floor. That setup just makes more sense to me.

[ZenithMage]

@twiigss Im probaly reviving a dead thread but when you say BWI you mean Baltimore-Washington International Airport? If so then I understand why it felt as if the jetway was on the groundfloor. I looked through some photos of that airport and its floor layout is similar to the one in my country. (In terms of which area is at which floor)

You departure area is in fact elevated such that your check in area is in the same floor as the departure area making it seem like you are on the ground floor when you are going through security and boarding the aircraft. The floor below is the arrival area where the baggage claims are.

I can't fault your perception cause it really does seem that you are on the first floor since you really don't have to go up or down to reach your boarding gates. Hope this would make things clearer.

Here is a link to show the floors:
https://images.app.goo.gl/FqeA8dqeTGXfjk7u8