Why is baggage claim outside secure zone?

[Whatever]

Title says about all. I have never been to a "International" Airport where the baggage claim was outside the secure zone. This means very weird pathfinding for the arrivels, IMHO.

Or am i not getting something?

[Whatever]

You are right, there is most probably a difference between custom area and secure area.
As a swiss its difficult for me to fly domestic... so i haven't had much experience. But that makes sense.
Still does not make sense that the people leave the airplane,leave secure zone, leave the baggage claim, enter the main hall (different building in my game), shop and then go back to baggage claim... I don't bellieve i have ever seen a airport where you could just walk into the baggage claim.

[Davo]

I've been in and out of countless airports in the US, and every single domestic flight I've been on has the baggage claim outside the secure zone, this goes for LAX, Atlanta, Denver, Spokane, San Jose, Burbank, Orlando, Miami, Philadelphia, New York/Newark, Boston, Boise, Honolulu, Kona, Houston, Dallas and just about every other airport. The only time I get my baggage in the secure area is entering Europe or another country, and entering the US from another country.

[ioanniskass]

I don't think it's appropriate to describe the baggage claim area as secure in any airport in the world. Yes, outsiders cannot go in, but neither can someone entering the bag claim area can go back. It's more for the orderly flow of people and from keeping outsiders from coming in and stealing passengers bags. Noone wants that.

I still think it should remain outside, though it's not really an important issue (at least for me).

That said, the developers would have to change the way the secure area works if they decide to move bag claim in secure. Because as it currently works you would have to place Passport Control on the edge of the secure area. Thus leaving bag claim ouside.

[Seraphin]

ioanniskass님이 먼저 게시:

That said, the developers would have to change the way the secure area works if they decide to move bag claim in secure. Because as it currently works you would have to place Passport Control on the edge of the secure area. Thus leaving bag claim ouside.

While I understand that it may be not the right way to move the baggage claim area into the secure zone, I already talked about a way how to give the player the flexibility to use his individual layout.

Seraphin님이 먼저 게시:

So, wouldn't it be the best to make the "only exit" item beiing placeable between secure/non-secure, secure/baggage-claim and baggage-claim/non-secure areas. Just add in customs area later in an similar way.

Then anyone could decide by himself which of these real existing layouts he want to use.

@Whatever
In fact, since Switzerland decided to join the Schengen agreement, any flight from Switzerland to any other EU country being part of "Schengen" is a domestic flight. ;-) As far as I'm aware of, the airport of Zurich did build an own terminal only for domestic flights into EU countries for that reason. So plenty of domestic destinations for you. ;-)

[JamesG603]

mr_alpha님이 먼저 게시:

You are correct, but you can NOT park your car in front of the terminal , walk in , pick up someones bag and leave ! can you???

there should be a kind of one way door to prevent anyone from entering the baggage claim room

In the US, this is definitely possible at domestic airports. Now that I think about it I've actually done this with my own bag a few times. One time our flight had to go back to the airport (O'Hare) for mechanical issues. While I was able to get on the next flight right away, they weren't able to get my bags transferred in time. Instead of waiting around at LAX for the bags to arrive on a later flight, we left for dinner. Came back to the airport a few hours later and walked straight into the baggage claim area from the outside. Saw my bag sitting in a roped off corner with a bunch of others, simply grabbed it and walked out the door.

I've also had my bags take an earlier flight than me, usually when I'd do a voluntary bump to a later flight. This has never been consistent; O'hare (United) has locked them up where you need a person to get it out, other airports had it sitting in a roped off area where I just took it and walked off, once they held it in the back until my flight came and it came out on the baggage carousel well before everyone else.

Bottom line, yes you could simply walk in and take someone else's bag, however in most cases that person is standing there waiting/watching for their bag...

[Avwriter]

JamesG603님이 먼저 게시:

mr_alpha님이 먼저 게시:

You are correct, but you can NOT park your car in front of the terminal , walk in , pick up someones bag and leave ! can you???

there should be a kind of one way door to prevent anyone from entering the baggage claim room

In the US, this is definitely possible at domestic airports. Now that I think about it I've actually done this with my own bag a few times. One time our flight had to go back to the airport (O'Hare) for mechanical issues. While I was able to get on the next flight right away, they weren't able to get my bags transferred in time. Instead of waiting around at LAX for the bags to arrive on a later flight, we left for dinner. Came back to the airport a few hours later and walked straight into the baggage claim area from the outside. Saw my bag sitting in a roped off corner with a bunch of others, simply grabbed it and walked out the door.

I've also had my bags take an earlier flight than me, usually when I'd do a voluntary bump to a later flight. This has never been consistent; O'hare (United) has locked them up where you need a person to get it out, other airports had it sitting in a roped off area where I just took it and walked off, once they held it in the back until my flight came and it came out on the baggage carousel well before everyone else.

Bottom line, yes you could simply walk in and take someone else's bag, however in most cases that person is standing there waiting/watching for their bag...

I would add to this (for US airports) that there are often security personnel standing in baggage claim, who spot check bags against tickets as people leave the airport (a sticker identifying checked luggage is usually put on boarding passes). They do not do this for everyone all the time, but it does provide some security for domestic luggage.

[principe suiço]

As i know, when you got from domestic flight in MCO (Orlando), its unsecure zone.
When you get from international flight in MIA (Miami), baggage claim is in secure zone because of immigration.

[Seraphin]

Btw., as I got back to Munich from Tenerife recently (EU-domestic), I got to claim my baggage of course. As I claimed it and then left the baggage claim area, there was a sign next to the door, saying I'm leaving the secure area and won't be able to get back in again to get my baggage. Outside, there was I sign that told me, if I want to get in to get my baggage, I have to use the security check.

Names are definition of course ... but at least for me as an "end user", I was told baggage claim area is part of the secure zone. ;-)

[MikefromJake]

Agree to all comments before, everyone has some good and correct points.

But there´s one more thing: on airports there are areas with restricted access! That means: you don´t have to do a scecurity check (yet) but you´re not allowed to enter without meeting some specific requirements either, e.g. having a boarding pass.

The baggage claim can be in all areas - secure/restricted/public - although i have to admit that
i´m not sure about "public" which i guess works for domestic only airports.

Airlines are obliged to care for the safety (protection against manipulation through third persons) of a passengers baggage until arrival.

Another example for restricted areas can be duty free shops. They may be placed before security check but behind e.g. a boardingpass control. You can´t go shopping there without catching a flight.

[NZ_Wanderer]

ROIDThe Grinch님이 먼저 게시:

I work at an International airport (Europe), and this is how it works:
The baggageclaim is NOT in a "Secure Zone" by definition on Security. It´s located in an insecure zone BUT it´s located in a CUSTOMS controlled zone. This zone is free for airport personel to enter and exit as they please via personal entrence/exits without security control (with code/badge control), but passengers are required to exit via the CUSTOMS clearence. And the general public is not allowed inside MAINLY because it would mean extra work for the customs.
So the baggageclaim area has nothing to do with passport control, it´s actually a seperate zone. And please keep in mind that some countries can have different rules regarding CUSTOMS controlled area, but this is how it´s handled in the main European countries.
As it is currently working ingame, it´s how the baggage claim area is handled in DOMESTIC terminals. Where its often located in an UNSECURE area and since it´s domestic, there is no need for customs, and therefor everyone is allowed around the area.

Where I work, International Arrivals contains passport control, Immigration, MPI and Baggage claim all in the "one" area...
This area is firmly controlled by customs, unless you are getting off an international flight there is no way for you to get into this area. - If you are staff you have to have a good reason for being in there when passengers are arriving, otherwise you will be told to leave immediately (I know this as I have been in there when other staff have been told to leave)..
If I happen to be in there when flights are landing I always make sure that I have cleared it with customs first, even the airport authority have no juristiction in that area.

[Dosedmonkey]

There is no customs or passport controlm I guess it will be implimented in time.

[Quimogen]

My local airport has baggage claim right by the exit and is accessible from the ticket desk as well by way of a (very) short hallway. I’m not quite sure how it’s done with the international flights, but baggage claim is easily accessible by anyone on the property.