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And, of course, you have to know the name of the dish in the first place.
Also, most dish names in the game are available through the The Round Table dining menu. Even if many of them don't exist as stand-alone items that and random acquisition of dishes through gameplay still gives a place to start. I managed to guess a good 15-20 just through trial and error just because I liked messing around with it when I had spare time. Some with a name, some just randomly.
https://mytimeatportia.fandom.com/wiki/Cooking_Set
Guessing through trial and error =/= intuitive.
Agreed.... I'm not looking at the wiki, I'm in year 2, and I've yet to figure out the fruit salad I've had many people asking for. Django isn't giving me any help yet, and still sometimes feeds me tasteless broth or the like as recipies.
I never called it intuitive so nice non-point I guess? thanks.
The issue is that “intuitive” is pretty much required to make guessing recipes a viable strategy. The sheer number of possible ingredients, and the fact that recipes can include 5 ingredients each (even if most don’t), means there are millions of possible combinations.
In fact, that’s why Django’s so awful - he appears to choose based on random ingredient combinations rather than random recipes, and most of those combinations result in a tiny handful of dishes. If he picked 3 recipes at random, and then offered a hint to each, he’d be a lot better. Fairly often he offers 3x tasteless broth with different ingredient mixes.
Actually, what he should do is just tell you the names of the recipes he’s offering. That’d be far more reasonable in game narrative, too.
Phadin’s example of fruit salad, which ought to be simple, demonstrates why trial and error is a problem. It doesn’t help that the description of Fruit Salad implies it requires Aroma Apples, which it doesn’t.
Incidentally, you’re incorrect about Django’s restaurant, the Round Table. About 90% of what he offers isn’t cookable with the cook set, and the restaurant provides names of about 5 dishes that are cookable.
The actual main mechanism for providing the names of important dishes is mainly NPC wishes. I.e. Gale will ask for Special Salmon Friend Rice and Emily will ask for Fruit Salad.
He seems to be working through them methodically - I'd find a new recipe from him, then get many variants of that the next couple weeks. A little bit ago, he finally started offering 35-cost recipes (which were new), and then the 20-cost ones dried up and finished; now all he's offering are 35's. (all of which are variants of the two new ones I got so far at 35-tier)
It's not. You can also make qualified guesses based on rudimentary knowledge of cooking.
As for the example of fruit salad it's really not a giant leap of logic to assume that something called salad sauce goes into salads and it's not really a salad if you just put in one fruit because that'd just be diced <whatever fruit you used>. It probably wouldn't be many people's first guess, but trying to suggest it is somehow weird is ridiculous.
It may be less than I remembered but I had a quick look and there's literally 4 of them under appetizers alone and another 4 under mains, but sure, I'm the troll. o/
I still maintain that the mere name of the recipe is not nearly enough information to determine its ingredient list. Typically it'll give you, at most, 2 of the ingredients, but you're still faced with hundreds of false combinations if you're doing it without aid of the Wiki.
I really wonder what your actual game experience is. Have you never consulted the wiki for recipes?
The Round Table is a bit of a sideshow, since the dish names are not enough, but it still struck me as a hint you're not actually playing the way you claim it's possible to play.
So, let's talk the Round Table for a moment, if that were part of an actual strategy for learning the recipes without the Wiki.
Not cookable:
Banner Fish Salad, Green Beans in Sauce, Pickles, Pickled Black Fungus, Creamy Shrimp Stew, Fire Fruit Mix, Bamboo Papaya with Seafood and Rice, Baked Bread, Creamy Noodles with Bacon, Baked Rice with Coconut Chicken, Baked Rice with Chicken Curry, Highwind Friend Rice, Portia Hot Pot, Stewed Rice Meat Supreme, BBQ Grilled Meat, Deep Fried Ribs, Smoked Meat, Roasted Warthog Feed, Well Seasoned Ribs, Grilled Turkey, Sauteed Ribs, Django's Braised Meat, Meide's Fish Stew, Spicy Fish Soup, Sauteed Sweet and Sour Tenderloin, Pumpkin Pie, Milky Pineapple Soup, Map Tofu, Mushrooms in Oyster Sauce, Spicy and Sour Potato, Vegetable with Minced Garlic, Snowman Ice Cream, Colorful Ice Cream, Black Forest Cake, Fruit Puff, Vanilla Pudding, Chocolate Milk Shake, Apple Pie, Crispy Pancake, Twin Colored Pudding, Pinecock Egg tart. Orange Juice, Bitter Melon Mix, Coffee, Seesai Fruit Mix, Duvos Winter Punch, Holly Tea, Tallksy Goat Milk.
Total 49 items.
Not cookable with the Cook Set:
Rainbow lemonade, Apple Juice, Red Tea, Milk Scented Tea, Apricot Juice.
Total 5 items
Cookable with the cook set:
Fruit Salad, Vegetable Salad, Smoked Fish Roll, Caviar (as Sweet Caviar), Creamy Salmon Stew, Spaghetti with Hot Sauce, Supremely Spicy Spaghetti, Pumpkin Steamed Rice, Classic Spaghetti with Meat Sauce, Steamed Potato Fruit, Stewed Mushrooms, Golden Radish Soup, Bamboo Papaya with Egg-on-Top.
Total 13.
So, yeah, now that I've actually referenced the Wiki and counted, there are more than the 5 I remember. It still remains that if we ignore the blender recipes (since you don't need to discover them), we're talking a full 80% of the menu is false leads.
Which is why I don't think you're playing the way you suggest it's possible to play. If you were studiously avoiding the Wiki, and using the Round Table as a hint list, you'd get fed up *very* quickly with the number of things that are dead ends. And how would you determine that a dead end was in fact dead, without consulting the Wiki?
For the 3rd time, that's not the point. Of course there's plenty of information available online. The point of this thread is mainly Django's recipe service is truly awful and feels like he's feeding you garbage and laughing about it.
It's evident that a handful of recipes out there are catch-all failure states for mixing ingredients blindly. "Wasted food" is for basic failures, "tasteless stew mix" is for failures for 5 ingredients, "tasteless broth" is for meat and a single bad seasoning. That Django regularly offers you "tasteless broth" recipes is basically paying for a failed recipe.
Second, and while secondary still important, there's no clean way to get recipes in-game, beside the handful which are handed to you via quests. The game practically demands that you keep a web browser open to search for recipes, if you want to pursue making people happy via cooking gifts.