Dried Apple Slices are too good and Dried Apricots aren't good enough

[Passion]

It seems like the effects for these two items were mistakenly switched.

You can get Apples right at the beginning of the game and creating a drying rack just requires some bronze pipes. You can reliably start making dried apple slices early in the game. The one and only way to get apricots in the game right now is to make an apricot tree, which makes it a lot more difficult to make dried apricots.

By the time you are in a good position to grow an Apricot tree, you can restore more stamina by using the Dried Apple Slices because you should have a good stock of Stamina by then. By the time my Apricot tree was ready in my second playthrough, I had 420 Stamina. [Without stamina boosting talents] This means Dried Apples restore 42 Stamina in comparison to the 24 from the Apricots. Creating Dried Apricots also require using Sugar, whereas Dried Apples do not.

Every recipe that requires an Apricot can have either of the other two fruits used as a substitute. Snake Fruit is plentiful and you can collect it right outside of your house. Apricots seem pretty pointless right now.

The only two people who like dried apricots as gifts don't give the player any benefits to building social relationships with them either.

Dried Apple Slices are superior in every way and it makes no sense to craft dried apricots at the moment.

[XBL Laberbacke]

Apples are far away, take time and stamina to gather. Also, luck.

[Scraps]

Originally posted by XBL Laberbacke:

Apples are far away, take time and stamina to gather. Also, luck.

This makes the 10% on dried apples worth the effort in my opinion, plus they're easy to farm in the dungeons. However...

I would like to see the sugar cost on dried apricots removed, and perhaps the stamina gained lowered a little, say down to 20; and even if it took 2 apricots to make 1 lot of dried apricots.
As it is I agree that dried apricots don't feel worth the cost.

[Passion]

Originally posted by XBL Laberbacke:

Apples are far away, take time and stamina to gather. Also, luck.

I don't know what you mean by apples being far away. They really aren't. There are few apple trees right outside of portia, which you can make a stop to whenever you visit the research center.

Also, every single Dried Apricot you make costs 1 sugar to make. So that Stamina you think your'e saving is costing you money instead. Money which could be spent making better meals.

Luck is a worthless factor in this discussion because you can go into the Wasteland dungeon and stock up on lots of Dried Apple Slices, which saves you even more time. If you are combat specced and decently geared [Which isn't difficult to accomplish] then you can find yourself swimming in Dried Apple Slices.

If you also don't suck and can do well at the fishing competition, you'll get yourself a lot of Stamina recovery food right then and there. I made first place both days and got tons of goodies with the basic fishing rod on both playthroughs. You can use that food to make your Wasteland Dungeon runs even easier.

You need to understand that the point of this thread is to make the Dried Apricots ACTUALLY USEFUL in comparison to the Dried Apple Slices.

[XBL Laberbacke]

I have tons of both and don't actually use either, ever.

[Passion]

Thanks for contributing to a thread about two items you don't care about then. :S Your input is appreciated.

[XBL Laberbacke]

[expletive deleted]

[Nomnom Victory]

Dried apricots are intentionally worse than apple slices that's because of how useful apricots are later on. Dried apples are better than dried apricots at the start but as time passes you unlock better methods of using apricots to their full advantage. The error is thinking that the difference between the two at the start is incidental when it's likely entirely deliberate.

When you gain access to Ack you are able to instantly craft recipes this means that dried apples are no longer the best stamina restoration that you have access to.
Dried apricots aren't there to be a rival to dried apples they're a red herring there to distract you away from the fact that you haven't found the actual intended use for apricots yet.

The drill uses lots of stamina but mines quickly, what's the best way to utilise this? lots of stamina restoration. Ever wonder why Sophie's store is the only place that stocks item in stacks of 999?
Stockpiling food...
The poor value of dried apricots is what hints to that you're trying to use apricots wrong, it makes you want to find a better way of using apricots, which there already is...

[Passion]

Originally posted by Nomnom Victory:

Dried apricots are intentionally worse than apple slices that's because of how useful apricots are later on. Dried apples are better than dried apricots at the start but as time passes you unlock better methods of using apricots to their full advantage. The error is thinking that the difference between the two at the start is incidental when it's likely entirely deliberate.

When you gain access to Ack you are able to instantly craft recipes this means that dried apples are no longer the best stamina restoration that you have access to.
Dried apricots aren't there to be a rival to dried apples they're a red herring there to distract you away from the fact that you haven't found the actual intended use for apricots yet.

The drill uses lots of stamina but mines quickly, what's the best way to utilise this? lots of stamina restoration. Ever wonder why Sophie's store is the only place that stocks item in stacks of 999?
Stockpiling food...
The poor value of dried apricots is what hints to that you're trying to use apricots wrong, it makes you want to find a better way of using apricots, which there already is...

Show me a recipe that not only requires apricots but you aren't able to use apples or snake berries as a substitute, please. The only thing Apricots really do for you is allow you to turn in Rank A Commerce Guild Commissions that the client is asking for Apricots.

I appreciate your post though. :3

[Nomnom Victory]

Originally posted by Great White Flame:

Show me a recipe that not only requires apricots but you aren't able to use apples or snake berries as a substitute, please. The only thing Apricots really do for you is allow you to turn in Rank A Commerce Guild Commissions that the client is asking for Apricots.

It's not that you can't use snakeberries, it's that harvesting a suitable number of snakeberries for the amount of food you'll be using is unrealistic. Have you tried harvesting 200 snakeberries?
It's a pretty unappealing prospect.

Whereas harvesting 200 apricots is no inconvenience whatsoever once the trees have grown, which is just a matter of planning ahead.

[AsianGirlLover]

Why nerf dried apples when you can just buff dried apricots? Keep the recipie the same and move the buff to 20% stamina regain.

[Nomnom Victory]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Why nerf dried apples when you can just buff dried apricots? Keep the recipie the same and move the buff to 20% stamina regain.

You may have skipped my posts, dried apricots should not be buffed at all because apricots are already the best fruit item to stockpile for use in lategame stamina restoration.

Currently both apples and apricots are quite useful. Increasing the usefulness of apricots at all would risk making apples obsolete so it's not a good idea.

[AsianGirlLover]

I must kindly disagree and insist a buff would be fine imho

[Passion]

- Have I tried harvesting 200 snake berries.

No, I harvest Banner Fish because they make a superior stamina recovery item to both of the items in this discussion. I can catch a good 50-60 of them in a single day, without the Fish Encyclopedia talent.

- Harvesting 200 apricots is no inconvenience if you plan ahead.

I planned ahead in both my first and second playthrough. Moreso in the second. I don't have any more room for Large Planters in either of my games.

Keep in mind that I don't lean on either of the items in this discussion for stamina recovery. I go for the better quality stuff because I can do that with little to no impact on my ability to complete jobs.

I'm just pointing out that there is a balance problem between these two items. There really is, and i'm sorry that you can't see that. I was able to amass over 30 Dried Apple Slices from one day's worth of Wasteland Dungeon runs, which you have to do at one point in the game in order to farm tempered liquid. That's 60 apple's worth of Dried Apple Slices and it doesn't require waiting for them to finish drying on a rack.

- Apricots are the best stamina recovery item to farm late-game.

I just can't agree with this. Spicy fish soup is extremely helpful both early and late game and it's not difficult to make. You just have to visit a fishing spot every once in awhile. You can also pick up Bubblefish at one of the Banner Fish spots which you can cook into a meal which gives you insane amounts of critical strike for 3 minutes.

I realize that it can save a lot of time to make a bunch of Apricot Trees, but that isn't how every playstyle is going to pan out. Since i'm using more space for production equipment, I can have all the parts that I need fully stocked at all times and can make so much money that I can just buy whatever I want at any given time. The only time I go out of my way to make food is to go fishing every once in awhile.

I stand by my original post. The stamina recovery for Dried Apple slices and Dried Apricots need to be switched, then maybe buff the Dried Apples from 24 to 30 or something. Or hell, make them both restore 10 percent stamina and then dried apricots can also restore an additional 1 percent stamina every second for 5 seconds.

Dried Apple Slices are too easy to obtain and restore too much stamina, and something does need to be done about this.

Now, if they were to remove the dried apple slices from the Wasteland Dungeon and instead replace them with Dried Apricots, THEN the rebalance won't be necessary.