Building Tall Vs. Wide? What's Your Take?

[Brechnor]

Building tall versus building wide in this game has a few pro/con either way, but which one do you find to be better?

TALL: Keep your base area as small as possible, tech up faster but have less of an overall area on the map and less map control.

WIDE: Get as much map control as possible, with the disadvantage of having more areas to defend.

Somewhere inbetween?

Have you got a go to, build order?

[Quineloe]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

Just look at his income. +450 with just 20 snipers, 4 lucifers and 1 thanatos. He's basically broke, because he doesn't have the power to turn all those tents into stone houses.

no one said you need 6k to win, please don't strawman troll.

No but he said 1k is not enough. I was pointing out that 1200 to 1500 is usually the range that I win because there's room for goals. You don't need a super high population to win. For the OP maybe 2k is more than enough.

But if you think I'm a troll for not trying to convince people there's only one way to win... sure.

What % do you play that you can consistently win at only 1200 pop?

[Andrewbh2003]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

No but he said 1k is not enough. I was pointing out that 1200 to 1500 is usually the range that I win because there's room for goals. You don't need a super high population to win. For the OP maybe 2k is more than enough.

But if you think I'm a troll for not trying to convince people there's only one way to win... sure.

What % do you play that you can consistently win at only 1200 pop?

well if you play at very low/just a few infected you do win with 1200 pop i say that cause back when i sucked at this game and was a filty casual who complained about the games difficulty before getting better i always had around 1000-1300 pop so yeah technically if you play on the lowest settings you can win since the amount of venoms on map 1 are kind of pathetic

[Crypto Gamer]

I have done 100,120,140,160% succesfully so far,I usually have around 3,5-4k population around day 90.

By the last wave I usually have 60-80 snipers,10 ish soldiers,around 20 rangers,few lucifers(3 maps I got -30% lucifer salary),around 10-15 titans,around 10 rocket guys and 30-45 executors, a few backup ballistas,around 300 skate traps,around 30 irons traps and sometimes a few wood or stone towers for snipers.Traps slowing infected is very useful,also make snipers even better from towers.
Map leftovers get cleared slightly after wave 9,I use 2 sniper balls with 30-40 snipers and a few soldiers and or lucifers to tank.Most Titans and rangers stay to assist defences in wave 8-9,after waves titans help clearing as well.Rocket guys always stay behind walls on defensive.I start to upgrade base defences around day 85.Before that I rarely have any executors.

Before executor base upgrades I have roughly 5-6k gold/tick.

For me that was always enough for the final wave on all maps "normal" difficulty,sometimes I divert titants to assist problem areas.

[Brechnor]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jefferoo:

Hi,
I think you are learning and doing ok. Took me a while to just get to the final wave.
Simple build order on map1 for 100days/ challenging:

Drop the nearest food with the 1st $100. Then explore with the alt key pressed to find all the zombies surrounding me. Pick up whatever resources I find as long as I can spend them and not waste them. Then set to patrol my base until I feel comfortable expanding. Early mistakes of trying to do to much always killed me. Next money will be $213 and I build 7 tents to get the 1st mayor. I will generally expand west or east to the map limit because there are less special infected. Expand towards food and choke points. I try to plan my housing around the market and bank, so that i get the most benefit from them. Not always perfect on map1 because building space can be limited.

Goals for colonists: 200 & 2nd mayor by first wave, day 13. Then 600 & 3rd mayor or more by day 30, b4 3rd wave. 1200 and last mayor by day 50 or sooner and get better with every attempt.
Tech goals: Wood workshop and farm tech asap. Next is soldier center and 1 ranger/sodier at a time to build an expansion army. Tech tree is generally farm, market, cottage, ballista, Stone workshop, Sniper. It always depends on how my colony is growing and what strategy I am using for the tech tree.
It took me a while to understand the eco balance of power-food-wood-tents-army-quarry......
Wood and food are the early keys. With stone and iron next.
Also I learned a lot on youtube from aznelite / deadlyoptics now. Has some great older tutorials that still apply.
I really enjoy the game more than I thought I would. I play with pause, but learned a lot from guys who play no pause. I still make stupid mistakes too often, like on the 3rd day of the community challenge this week, LOL. But I just laugh it off and play a new survival game.
Just finished a map3 80day nightmare @ 700%. My first max nightmare victory. But it was played a couple hours at a time over 3-4 days with a ton of pausing for this Old Geezer to get there. I enjoyed the heck out of that!!!!!!!!!

Good luck to you and hope this helps some.

TBH this is exactly the kind of thing to read that I have been looking for.
Thank you!

[GeminiEclipse]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

No but he said 1k is not enough. I was pointing out that 1200 to 1500 is usually the range that I win because there's room for goals. You don't need a super high population to win. For the OP maybe 2k is more than enough.

But if you think I'm a troll for not trying to convince people there's only one way to win... sure.

What % do you play that you can consistently win at only 1200 pop?

Now who's the one trolling?

I listed the difficulties. Although I guess normal is challenging. And it's not only 1200, it's a range.

But you're so worked up over my post that you're just taking things out of context on purpose to get a reaction. Basically the definition of trolling.

I'll be the first to concede that the way I play wont work on brutal and there are better ways to play, but then again I never claimed that in the first place. So calm down.

[Jefferoo]

"TBH this is exactly the kind of thing to read that I have been looking for.
Thank you!"

Here is a screenshot of my build on this map. Market and Bank are not fully efficient, but then that is how map 1 works most times.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1503515318

[Andrewbh2003]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

What % do you play that you can consistently win at only 1200 pop?

Now who's the one trolling?

I listed the difficulties. Although I guess normal is challenging. And it's not only 1200, it's a range.

But you're so worked up over my post that you're just taking things out of context on purpose to get a reaction. Basically the definition of trolling.

I'll be the first to concede that the way I play wont work on brutal and there are better ways to play, but then again I never claimed that in the first place. So calm down.

sorry but quin is no troll hes just 1 of the best tab players in the world and a fairly active forum guy hes genuinly asking cause 1200 pop you wont win on anything past low pop ya need at the bare minimum 1800 and even then do so at your own risk

[GeminiEclipse]

I mean... I said what difficulties I play on. I'm not pretending to be a pro. And people who are on the first map also aren't pros. So why is it so wrong to offer my own opinion on what can work on easy/normal?

I feel like it's a bit like the people who struggle and claim you need to play perfectly and min/max to win, but you really don't. Not for easy/normal anyway.

[Quineloe]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

What % do you play that you can consistently win at only 1200 pop?

Now who's the one trolling?

I listed the difficulties. Although I guess normal is challenging. And it's not only 1200, it's a range.
.

You were trolling. You listed a difficulty that doesn't exist, as you have already stated yourself. Normal is not a difficulty, therefore me asking specifically for the % difficulty is completely legit.

And I don't buy for a moment that you won with a mere 1200 pop on a challenging / challenging difficulty, unless you had some utter freak map with tiny chokes for multiple parts of the final wave.

So your range of 1200 to 1500 is actually exactly 1500. Don't spread bad advice around here, or expect to be shot down.

or, and I think that is far more likely, the way you keep saying "easy/normal" means you actually mean accessible, not challenging difficulty.

and people who are on the first map also aren't pros.

What nonsense is that. nightmare pop 80 days on map 1 is no walk in the park. You can play any map you like.

[Brechnor]

Please don't fight :(

[El Guapo]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brechnor:

Please don't fight :(

The downfall in all classic zombie movies of the 70s and 80s were the inner struggles of mankind. It is only fitting that the non-infected are fighting on a zombie forum.

[Andrewbh2003]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย El Guapo:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brechnor:

Please don't fight :(

The downfall in all classic zombie movies of the 70s and 80s were the inner struggles of mankind. It is only fitting that the non-infected are fighting on a zombie forum.

haha funniest thing iv heard in 6 months on this forum lmao you deserve a star for that

[GeminiEclipse]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quineloe:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GeminiEclipse:

Now who's the one trolling?

I listed the difficulties. Although I guess normal is challenging. And it's not only 1200, it's a range.
.

You were trolling. You listed a difficulty that doesn't exist, as you have already stated yourself. Normal is not a difficulty, therefore me asking specifically for the % difficulty is completely legit.

And I don't buy for a moment that you won with a mere 1200 pop on a challenging / challenging difficulty, unless you had some utter freak map with tiny chokes for multiple parts of the final wave.

So your range of 1200 to 1500 is actually exactly 1500. Don't spread bad advice around here, or expect to be shot down.

or, and I think that is far more likely, the way you keep saying "easy/normal" means you actually mean accessible, not challenging difficulty.

and people who are on the first map also aren't pros.

What nonsense is that. nightmare pop 80 days on map 1 is no walk in the park. You can play any map you like.

Man you're so salty because I accidentally forgot that challenging wasn't called normal.

No it's not exact. Stop being so picky. I play on 120 days or 100 days. Easy, accessible or challenging population. And I have won with more, and I have won with less, but that's not the majority of my wins (I mispoke when I stated all). I have won with more than 1500 that's just the number I can remember. I actually did have a sub 1200 population win.

But it was obviously on easy mode. And yes it came down to a lucky map.

It's like you don't want to accept that someone found some success on a difficulty you don't play on, so now you're freaking out. The man literally talks about how he's getting the final wave on 91. He's not talking about 80/brutal. That should be plainly obvious. But you're nitpicking anything and everything you can.

Contrary to elitist belief, you do not need to play like a professional on non max settings. And you might not realize it but *shocker* the OP is not playing on max settings.

I never said you should stop at 1200-1500 population, just that you can get wins on easy/challenging (you happy now?) at that population. It's obviously going to depend on the map. Why can't you just chill out?

[Quineloe]

So correcting someone who doesn't know what he's talking about is "salty" now? You're the one writing long winded rants that I don't even read. Who's actually salty here?

You play 120 days. That's not challenging, that's accessible. Just as I predicted.

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[GeminiEclipse]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1504084199

No that's challenging settings. 100 days, challenging population. You can check the settings yourself. And yes I intentionally won with 1198 population. Just to spite you.

Like I said before, and this really is my point, you don't have to play optimally to win on easy or challenging. Yeah it's easier if you do, but you don't have to be Quineloe levels of good to win.

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