No armor has better AC than armor?

[Piggy]

Just thinking since my no armor wearers seem to get some dang high AC compared to my tanks without even being spec'd into it.

Just makes me think sometimes like why do I even get armor.

[OnlyOffensive]

Well if you look on your light armor, most of them capped for 4-5 AC max, while dex AC is uncapped and you can get armor AC somewhere else, so yeah, high dex character with no armor and good accessories will probably have higher AC than other light armor users.

I think its only true for light armor vs no armor, medium and heavy shoud still beat it without overweight and other penalties.

And if im not mistaken only goblin and maybe gnome halfling can achieve it.

[InEffect]

It kinda depends on the stats and the build since oak is a thing. But in general - yes.

[NamelessOne]

No armor builds require more rules mastery to pull off, while armor builds don't have to invest much and have moderately decent protection.

[thorsson64]

But heavy armor slows you down, reduces skill checks and makes you more vulnerable when resting. Still, if you made a whole party of "no armor" types, they would be limited, as well as arguing incessantly over who got the best robes.

[InEffect]

We just need 2-3 tanks either way so there's not too much arguing on robes as you can have one with oak and another with LG robes. And LN/LE robes are not too shabby even if more niche should you run a 3rd one. Whats actually contested are bracers since there are 2 +8 bracers iirc and both oak users and robe users want those.

[/Uninstall]

For comparison mithral full plate 23 AC with +3 dex mod. that requires robe users to have a 36 dex to be equivalent. Its not nothing. But yes dex builds can get higher AC, especially if a 2nd source wis/int/cha (most also requiring no armor be worn) also gives AC.

[InEffect]

lets assume we have a robe user with 10 dex and and 10 wis and cha. now lets count.
5AC LG robes+8AC bracers+5ACvestments=18AC
Best mithral armor is 14AC, so 17AC even with dex mod(cause I wanted to give plate a handicap).

Mic drop. Oak will be better(and even then not if we were to stack all numbers), but that's not what you are arguing. Hopefully would teach you to learn a bit about the subject you talk about.

[/Uninstall]

Originally posted by InEffect:

lets assume we have a robe user with 10 dex and and 10 wis and cha. now lets count.
5AC LG robes+8AC bracers+5ACvestments=18AC
Best mithral armor is 14AC, so 17AC even with dex mod(cause I wanted to give plate a handicap).

Mic drop. Oak will be better(and even then not if we were to stack all numbers), but that's not what you are arguing. Hopefully would teach you to learn a bit about the subject you talk about.

I assume by oak you mean the oak pelt that is unique to kingmaker? I definitely don't know kingmaker specific items. That was just a blanket statement on PF gearing. Non enhanced mithral plate (robes and plate can get same enhancement so ignore) with +3 max dex is 13 AC. Takes 36 dex to be equivalent on a robes character. Before adding AC from another stat. You can get more AC from a robes character then an armor wearer if built properly. Was speaking to the OP question of how naked can be more AC than heavy armor.

[InEffect]

not naked. PK doesn't exactly follow pnp rules on armor values, items or stacking. LG monk robes are +5dodge AC(which is explicitly prohibited by PF rules), +8Bracers and magic vestments do stack with bracers/mage armor which again is prohibited by the rules, but owlcat doesn't care. with that robes are better than plate even without any stats attached vs plate in the best case WITH stats attached. And if we include stats robes are about 15-20AC better

[/Uninstall]

Were sayin the same thing. I didnt mean NAKED. I meant robes vs heavy armor.

[InEffect]

You keep saying we need dex to compete. This is not the case. Robes provide more armor than plate with stats without any stats whatsoever.

[Uzkin]

Magic Vestments: Armor fully stacks with everything in PK. Heavy-armor users and naked ppl benefit equally from it, so it might as well be ignored when comparing the two.

[/Uninstall]

I understand that. I'm making a connection, between how much dex is needed to equal an armors value. I never meant to sound like that means you need dex to compete. x = y. does not mean x is required to be >= y

[thorsson64]

The fact is that you don't have just Dex, so what's the point of the equivalence?

[InEffect]

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Magic Vestments: Armor fully stacks with everything in PK. Heavy-armor users and naked ppl benefit equally from it, so it might as well be ignored when comparing the two.

It can't be ignored since armor in question already comes with enchantment, hence the 14AC in calculation. It won't benefit from vestments. Bracers AC, however, is not enchantment AC and will benefit, cause PK is very faithful to the rules.