Pathfinder: Kingmaker

Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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Arnil Dec 15, 2018 @ 1:54am
Aasimar + Tiefling crossbreed
What kind of child will be born?
Pure human? Nephilim? Someone else?
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lordlorac Dec 15, 2018 @ 2:45am 
In game you can always be a aasimar sorcerer with demon (or diable) bloodline.
Or a tieffling sorcerer with celestial bloodline (wich i did, a chaotic good character)
Cutlass Jack Dec 15, 2018 @ 3:05am 
An annoying child who can't stop telling everyone their backstory.

"My mother was a succubus and my daddy was an angel with vampirism. Somehow they couldn't protect me and I was abused and grew up in a brothel where I finally escaped years of being a slave by killing my owner..."

"uh, yeah, thats great. But I was just asking directions to the tavern..."
Selvokaz Dec 15, 2018 @ 3:19am 
The child is a mongrel. If a Sorcerer I'd recommend they play the Mongrel Sorcerer archetype.
provokastoras Dec 15, 2018 @ 3:36am 
Sorcerers are just people harnessing their bastard status... But thats legaly what it is. The question is however if an angel does that and then kindly takes his leave, leaving the mother and the child to fend for themselves can they really be called angels?
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lordlorac Dec 15, 2018 @ 4:00am 
It depend. If it's for actually prove that bastard child (demonic/angel) can do good on their own... why not (and you make up for the mother in the afterlife).
Angel and demon as well as god and fae does not think like mortal. Their sense of moral are not the same.
Selphares Dec 15, 2018 @ 4:20am 
Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:
An annoying child who can't stop telling everyone their backstory.

"My mother was a succubus and my daddy was an angel with vampirism. Somehow they couldn't protect me and I was abused and grew up in a brothel where I finally escaped years of being a slave by killing my owner..."

"uh, yeah, thats great. But I was just asking directions to the tavern..."
Ohh so true these kind of people. ;)
GrandMajora Dec 15, 2018 @ 5:18am 
Originally posted by provokastoras:
Sorcerers are just people harnessing their bastard status... But thats legaly what it is. The question is however if an angel does that and then kindly takes his leave, leaving the mother and the child to fend for themselves can they really be called angels?

You guys know that magical bloodlines are rarely the direct result of people breeding with creatures of power, right?

I don't remember where specifically I read it, but I believe it's been stated that a draconic bloodline can manifest itself all the way through to the 1,000th generation from when the original ancestor boinked a dragon.

That means that centuries can have past by since anybody in your family even so much as caught a glimpse of a dragon, and yet you're family tree is still producing magically talented individuals.

Not only that, but there's no guarantee that you'll even manifest the bloodline, anyways. In fact, there's an Aasimar NPC in your capital who outright states that she is the only person in her entire family line to have been born an Aasimar, which implies that even the original founder's children were born human!


Originally posted by lordlorac:
It depend. If it's for actually prove that bastard child (demonic/angel) can do good on their own... why not (and you make up for the mother in the afterlife).
Angel and demon as well as god and fae does not think like mortal. Their sense of moral are not the same.

I don't know how it works in Pathfinder, but in D&D, the gods exist within multiple states of reality simultaneously. In other words, they are multidimensional beings who aren't bound by the confines of a single universe, or timeline.

One path to achieving divinity is to elevate yourself to a similar state, thus transcending the limits of mortal existence.
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Brughe Dec 15, 2018 @ 5:43am 
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Wingstorm Dec 15, 2018 @ 8:15am 
Originally posted by Arnil:
What kind of child will be born?
Pure human? Nephilim? Someone else?

Assuming both are human-based Aasimars/Tieflings, then their children would be either a normal human, an Aasimar or a Tiefling.

Aasimars and Tieflings are basically any person of a mortal race that have a "touch" of the divine or infernal in then.
There can be halfling Aasimars and dwarf tieflings. When used in game, the 2 races usually mean the human variant.

Aasimars and Tieflings are NOT born directly of a celestial or fiendish being. A union of celestial/fiend with a mortal would result in a Half-Celestial or Half-Fiend, not an Aasimar or Tieflings.

Aasimars and Tieflings are the further down the line decendents of such pairings.

So to the OP, when an Aasimar + Tiefling crossbreeds, the result would mostly likely be a child of the mortal race, both parents originate from. Human variant Aasimars and Tieflings would have human or humanish children. The child may or may not be a Aasimar or a Tiefling.

On an extra note, Aasimars and Tieflings can be born to normal mortal parents, whos ancestry have divine or fiendish blood in them.

*On an extra extra note, it IS possible to have families where most members are Aasimars or Tieflings, as seen in the nations of Infernal worshipping Cheliax and the Aasimar nation of Tianjing (in Tian Xia)
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Syzy Dec 15, 2018 @ 11:03am 
Demons and Angels are like they are more so because they're kind of these aspects of the cosmos than because of their actual blood. If you cross breed the two they would have a mix of the same physical features but probably not the innate magical properties ither have.

All Angels and demons start out at some point as mortals and become what they are through very different proccess that reflect their nature.
You don't even need to die to become a demon, you can complete a ritual (that involves ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of murder and takes like 4 to 20 years) that is essentially making you super chaotic evil to the point where you embody it- so it's kind of like a cosmic alignment thing happening, not anything in the blood.
GrandMajora Dec 15, 2018 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by Yhyzys:
Demons and Angels are like they are more so because they're kind of these aspects of the cosmos than because of their actual blood. If you cross breed the two they would have a mix of the same physical features but probably not the innate magical properties ither have.

All Angels and demons start out at some point as mortals and become what they are through very different proccess that reflect their nature.
You don't even need to die to become a demon, you can complete a ritual (that involves ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of murder and takes like 4 to 20 years) that is essentially making you super chaotic evil to the point where you embody it- so it's kind of like a cosmic alignment thing happening, not anything in the blood.

The game seems to specifically point out that Tieflings and Aasimar have the ability to choose their own destinies and morality, which seems to imply that Celestials and Fiends do not have such a luxury.

Demons are the physical embodiments of Chaotic Evil. Any child that they conceive is more than likely slated to be a literal bastard.

And a child they conceive with an enemy faction is more than likely the result of "grape!"
Mauman Dec 15, 2018 @ 12:57pm 
You'd be an abomination that would need to be put to the torch?
Wingstorm covered the bulk of it - aasimar and tieflings aren't true-breeding species; they're basically random mutants. There needn't even be an outsider anywhere in their ancestry - I imagine more than a few tieflings in the west of Mendev became such just because their parents were close to the Worldwound and the Abyssal energies leaking out of it left a mild corruption, not enough to be an issue but enough to result in the child being born a demon-spawn tiefling.

So a child of an aasimar and a tiefling is most-likely to belong to whichever non-outsider species the parents are (so if both parents are descended from humans, then the child is most-likely to be a human, albeit with the potential to have very mild celestial/fiendish traits).
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Date Posted: Dec 15, 2018 @ 1:54am
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