Spells that damage, but have no Spell resist checks

[kirill-busidow]

Snowball
Melfs acid arrow
Acid fog
Obsidian flow

[kirill-busidow]

For some reason Game dont show which spells are subject to SR and which are not.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

Really frustrating how little info is in this beta of a game! (I do love the game though!)

Most conjuration spells aren't supposed to.

Snowball would be good with Octavia so she can still get sneak attack with it as well

[solthusx]

Generally speaking, most conjuration spells are not subject to spell resistance.

And yeah, this game is not friendly to people not already familiar with Pathfinder or DnD.

[Kreuz]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Generally speaking, most conjuration spells are not subject to spell resistance.

And yeah, this game is not friendly to people not already familiar with Pathfinder or DnD.

even if you are familiar with it, how could you possibly know which spells they left out since there are no spell lists you can check beforehand

this game is seriously stingy with the information you get, on many levels

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

I lvoe it how it doesn't matter if you tick in the options, show detailed spell information because it's just teh same!

[Morgian]

You can assume that any spell is subject to SR. The only exceptions are spells that create something, like summon monster.

[Grimshot]

It is generally safe to assume that conjuration spells will not be subject to SR.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Grimshot:

It is generally safe to assume that conjuration spells will not be subject to SR.

I dont get that rule at all... just say...:)

[[TGC] MadGod]

Originally posted by dolby:

Originally posted by Grimshot:

It is generally safe to assume that conjuration spells will not be subject to SR.

I dont get that rule at all... just say...:)

Spell resistance is argued to be a "repelling" of an actual spell effect that unfolds at the target or the target area. Many conjuration spells "create" something and then you toss it at the enemy. When that created stuff hits, it does its work. There is nothing to resist anymore, since the effect of the spell has already run its course.

So most of the time, if a spell creates something that does not directly affect a creature (snowball, acid arrow...) you will have no SR. Web is a notable exception, if memory serves me right.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by kirill-busidow:

For some reason Game dont show which spells are subject to SR and which are not.

it shows. Its a general rule that conjuration is not a subject to spell resistance, since you arent attacking with actual magic but rather conjured objects.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by TGC MadGod:

Originally posted by dolby:

I dont get that rule at all... just say...:)

Web is a notable exception, if memory serves me right.

web is transmutation

[dolby]

Originally posted by TGC MadGod:

Originally posted by dolby:

I dont get that rule at all... just say...:)

Spell resistance is argued to be a "repelling" of an actual spell effect that unfolds at the target or the target area. Many conjuration spells "create" something and then you toss it at the enemy. When that created stuff hits, it does its work. There is nothing to resist anymore, since the effect of the spell has already run its course.

So most of the time, if a spell creates something that does not directly affect a creature (snowball, acid arrow...) you will have no SR. Web is a notable exception, if memory serves me right.

yea but whats the difference between throwing a fireball it gets conjured out of thin air same as a arrow made from acid... its all magic... Im just saying in my imagination it doesnt make sense...
Conjure to make someone or something appear by means of a magical ritual. Aka making a fireball... just saying... :)

[dolby]

Sorry im a passionate wizard aka conjurer mage in my Role play..:)
Its the same thing just like a wizard vs mage debatable but the at the end its the same thing? no?

[SIlverblade-T-E]

Web in D&D is conjuration
no idea why it's Transmutation in Pathfinder Kingmaker


the reason conjuration ha sno SR is two fold

#1
to give casters somehting they do NOT have to worry about spell resistance over
in balance though conjuration spells do less damage

#2
its the idea you summon an actual thing, while a drow could logically resist a Firebball made of MAGICAL fire, a drow sure as hell couldn't resist a burning bucket of flaming oil since it is not magic!

Summon an avil and drop it on a dragon's head, it will hurt
teleporting the anvil,since it exists somewhere it has to be teleported there, takes a lot more effort, more power ( higher spell level or less damage)
Same with say, lava, or acid.

making a temporary "unreal" magical forcefield shaped like an anvil would be easier but it's not "real" it's purely magical and thus magic resistance would work on it

[Kreuz]

from the rulebook:

Creation: a creation spell manipulates matter to create an object or creature in the place the spellcaster designates. If the spell has a duration other than instantaneous, magic holds the creation together, and when the spell ends, the conjured creature or object vanishes without a trace. If the spell has an instantaneous duration, the created object or creature is merely assembled through magic. It lasts indefinitely and does not depend on magic for its existence. --> conjured snowball, not magical, no spell save


Evocation spells manipulate magical energy or tap an unseen source of power to produce a desired end. In effect, an evocation draws upon magic to create something out of nothing. Many of these spells produce spectacular effects, and evocation spells can deal large amounts of damage.

in the description of creation it states, that if the spell has a duration, then magic holds the creation together. that's kinda how it works for the fireball. since it's held together by magic it can be resisted by a spell save.

however, when the evoked fireball hits a burnable object (wooden floor, for example) the fire the floor catches is a natural fire (it got lit by magic and is now burning for real) and a person stepping into that natural fire wont be able to spell resist that. because now it's natural and not held together by the magic of the caster

but truth to be told, it's a matter of interpretation since there are discussions about this topic i wont claim that my explanation is 100% accurate