Season of the bloom final fight

[Aria Athena]

In the final group you fight, there is a spider matriarch. I kept losing because Valerie was dying and it took me a while to notice why (since spamming 20s is the natural state of the mobs), but it turns out that said spider was attacking Valerie like she was flat footed. All. The. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Time.

Having to also kill that overpowered owlbear over and over again, made for about 2 hours of hell, time I also spent cursing everything and everyone. It was an easy fight made hellish due to that little ♥♥♥♥♥.

Is there a reason that spider was hitting her as she was flat footed?

[Divinity]

Is that the spider that has perma concealment?
I thought the encounter was a lot of fun lol

[Propsken]

Try attacking the spider, pause the game, and check the combat log for missed attack rolls. Chances are you'll see a percentile miss-chance pop up; that'd mean the spider has, as Divinity suggests, concealment, which may account for its ability to attack someone as if they're flat-footed - what with being hard to see coming and all. Not sure if that's the case, but it's a contender.

The OP Owlbear is basically just a huge beatstick. It's bound to have at least one bad save; either Reflex or Will. Try to slap some crowd control on there, and buff up your party. If you happen to have a source of reliable ability damage, sapping its Strength score would neuter the beast significantly. I'm thinking a Rogue with Debilitating Strike.

Worst case, swallow your pride and lower the game's difficulty.

[Aria Athena]

I have already finished they fight. What I want to know is why that spider was attacking Valerie like she was flat footed, not once, but ALL the time.

But since you mentioned it, that owlbear's lowest save was 16, I needed 4 rounds to kill it and it was 1-shotting me. So having to kill it over and over again just because some mob down the road kept murdering my tank was somewhat inconvenient.

[['w']]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

I have already finished they fight. What I want to know is why that spider was attacking Valerie like she was flat footed, not once, but ALL the time.

But since you mentioned it, that owlbear's lowest save was 16, I needed 4 rounds to kill it and it was 1-shotting me. So having to kill it over and over again just because some mob down the road kept murdering my tank was somewhat inconvenient.

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Originally posted by Sporp Miw:

Try attacking the spider, pause the game, and check the combat log for missed attack rolls. Chances are you'll see a percentile miss-chance pop up; that'd mean the spider has, as Divinity suggests, concealment, which may account for its ability to attack someone as if they're flat-footed - what with being hard to see coming and all. Not sure if that's the case, but it's a contender.
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[Propsken]

Load up an older save file and try it out...?

[jazzable]

Maybe Spidey has Improved Invisibility? From a spell or a spell-like ability? That would mean she stays invisible until the spell ends despite attacking. Maybe it can be dispelled? Just guessing blindly....

[Aria Athena]

Concealment is just the effect of blur or displacement, you don't get to attack as being invisible.
Every primal mob has a 20% concealment.

Originally posted by jazzable:

Maybe Spidey has Improved Invisibility? From a spell or a spell-like ability? That would mean she stays invisible until the spell ends despite attacking. Maybe it can be dispelled? Just guessing blindly....

Relatively sure those spiders don't have greater invisibility. I would have noticed, since you have to fight several of them during this quest.

[jazzable]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Concealment is just the effect of blur or displacement, you don't get to attack as being invisible.
Every primal mob has a 20% concealment.

Originally posted by jazzable:

Maybe Spidey has Improved Invisibility? From a spell or a spell-like ability? That would mean she stays invisible until the spell ends despite attacking. Maybe it can be dispelled? Just guessing blindly....

Relatively sure those spiders don't have greater invisibility. I would have noticed, since you have to fight several of them during this quest.

Ah well...guessing blindly and missing then. My bad.

[Babbles]

Matriarch has 50% concealment.

You should get the first world companions teleporting in once they killed the flower in the first world?

Or are you sending your main into the primal plane insted of keeping him/her in the first world fight.

It is the FIRST WORLD, have your main in the FIRST WORLD fight :)

[OnlyOffensive]

No uncanny dodge on tank in 2018. In theory displacement can help too with that

[valky]

2018..phase spider became doom spider with perm invis effect but phasing...yeah, the more and more I hear...

copy & paste D&D didn't gone so well?

[Babbles]

Originally posted by valky:

2018..phase spider became doom spider with perm invis effect but phasing...yeah, the more and more I hear...

copy & paste D&D didn't gone so well?

Yeah, engrish didn't do well at school. Try again with less vitriolic rubbish.

[valky]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Originally posted by valky:

2018..phase spider became doom spider with perm invis effect but phasing...yeah, the more and more I hear...

copy & paste D&D didn't gone so well?

Yeah, engrish didn't do well at school. Try again with less vitriolic rubbish.

See, you can't argue at all :> thx, proves my point

btw..if you by accident would have clicked my profile, you might have noticed my origin..but, yeah it's hard to read with only xxxx.

cuddles for trying, though....keep your heads up, young one..one day you'll most likely be fitting to properly insult a person - sadly; I can't..for reasons (I could..but I need to know where you might live, so we could discuss that any further, without disturbing the other community - waiting for your response^^)

edit: just read some of your reviews...I have expected exactly *this* thank you very much!

OMG:

"Ping the monster, how? what button?

Trap the monster, how? what button?

Shoot the monster, how, lmb doesn't work.
♥♥♥♥♥♥tutorial =♥♥♥♥♥♥game, die a second time, game."

your english and my non-existent expectation :>

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

No uncanny dodge on tank in 2018. In theory displacement can help too with that

I remember you. You are the condescending guy from other posts that ignores the actual question. In order to get uncanny dodge I have to get Valerie 4 levels in rogue, which I can't spare at level 10.

Originally posted by Babbles:

You should get the first world companions teleporting in once they killed the flower in the first world?

Or are you sending your main into the primal plane insted of keeping him/her in the first world fight.

It is the FIRST WORLD, have your main in the FIRST WORLD fight :)

Originally posted by valky:

2018..phase spider became doom spider with perm invis effect but phasing...yeah, the more and more I hear...

copy & paste D&D didn't gone so well?

I honestly have no idea what either of you are talking about.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

No uncanny dodge on tank in 2018. In theory displacement can help too with that

I remember you. You are the condescending guy from other posts that ignores the actual question. In order to get uncanny dodge I have to get Valerie 4 levels in rogue, which I can't spare at level 10.

Really? Because SD has uncanny dodge on 2nd or 3d level. And to qualify to SD you only need 7 in TSS. Anyway as i said displacement should also remove flat-footed from her.

SD is stalwart defender.