How to get Valerie's "bad ending"? *spoilers*

[DominaDianthus]

i saw in a youtube video valerie has an ending where she becomes a hellknight how do i achieve this?

[Iry]

That would be a good ending by my standards.
Three out of four times I finished this game, she just gets pregnant and retires somewhere.

[For_Science!]

I would imagine that on her personal quest, you encourage her to seek vengeance instead of reconciliation.

[aramintai]

Kill paladins at her duel, don't go through the divine trial in her last quest and just kill everyone.

[aramintai]

Originally posted by Iry:

That would be a good ending by my standards.
Three out of four times I finished this game, she just gets pregnant and retires somewhere.

Is that the ending where you don't complete her questline?

[Iry]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Is that the ending where you don't complete her questline?

Most likely.
Two times I let her make her own choice - she decided to leave. Quest Failed.
One time I just killed everybody because I was Evil. Quest failed.

[aramintai]

Originally posted by Iry:

Originally posted by aramintai:

Is that the ending where you don't complete her questline?

Most likely.
Two times I let her make her own choice - she decided to leave. Quest Failed.
One time I just killed everybody because I was Evil. Quest failed.

Hmm, interesting. I thought killing everybody in both these quests was the path to being a hellknight. Then to get the hellknight ending I suppose you need to agree to undergo the trial and fail it? Otherwise there's really nothing more to it.

[Дерзкий пельмень]

If someone manages to get this ending can you make a screenshot for me, please?

[New Willinium]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Originally posted by Iry:

Most likely.
Two times I let her make her own choice - she decided to leave. Quest Failed.
One time I just killed everybody because I was Evil. Quest failed.

Hmm, interesting. I thought killing everybody in both these quests was the path to being a hellknight. Then to get the hellknight ending I suppose you need to agree to undergo the trial and fail it? Otherwise there's really nothing more to it.

Does failing it mean her scar disappearing but being filled with anger and vengence? Because she still passes the trial there.

[Sexorcista]

any way to get valerie killed in the story?

[aramintai]

Originally posted by New Willinium:

Originally posted by aramintai:

Hmm, interesting. I thought killing everybody in both these quests was the path to being a hellknight. Then to get the hellknight ending I suppose you need to agree to undergo the trial and fail it? Otherwise there's really nothing more to it.

Does failing it mean her scar disappearing but being filled with anger and vengence? Because she still passes the trial there.

I haven't tried it but there is an option to refuse to undergo the trial which fails the quest and kill everyone there. Then there is an option to agree to undergo the trial but fail in skill checks/choose wrong answers, this completes the quest but the trial outcome is not favorable. I'm guessing these are what branches out her bad endings.

[Iry]

Originally posted by aramintai:

I haven't tried it but there is an option to refuse to undergo the trial which fails the quest and kill everyone there. Then there is an option to agree to undergo the trial but fail in skill checks/choose wrong answers, this completes the quest but the trial outcome is not favorable. I'm guessing these are what branches out her bad endings.

I'm just speculating, but that might be it. It makes sense on a mechanical level - If you agree to the judgement, there's a high chance you will save scum to pass it and not accept the failure. Hence why so few people get the Hellknight ending.

But maybe someone else has more information.

[DominaDianthus]

if i recall correctly (and i might be misremembering this here since i was playing an asmodeus cleric too) when u play as a lawful evil character u meet a hellknight on the road and thus u have more of a relationship with them so it might be necessary to be lawful evil to actually get this ending im not sure. just a guess

[Morthra]

Originally posted by CookieJamZ:

any way to get valerie killed in the story?

You can tell her to leave your lands, but there is no resolution to her questline that results in her death at the House at the Edge of Time.

As to how to get the Hellknight ending for her, you have to essentially affirm her beliefs that beauty is worthless. Don't make her apologize to the poet in her second quest, chase after Fredero in the first, and in the third, massacre everyone at the Temple of Prisms (the third is the big one). If you never get the "good" resolution to her quest, where the scar is removed and she gets +2 to WIS and CHA, that's the ending she ends up with.

[aramintai]

Originally posted by Morthra:

Originally posted by CookieJamZ:

any way to get valerie killed in the story?

You can tell her to leave your lands, but there is no resolution to her questline that results in her death at the House at the Edge of Time.

As to how to get the Hellknight ending for her, you have to essentially affirm her beliefs that beauty is worthless. Don't make her apologize to the poet in her second quest, chase after Fredero in the first, and in the third, massacre everyone at the Temple of Prisms (the third is the big one). If you never get the "good" resolution to her quest, where the scar is removed and she gets +2 to WIS and CHA, that's the ending she ends up with.

Never apologized to the bard and after that bard situation asked why she's so upset if she believes that beauty is unimportant and always got the good ending by succeeding in the trial. Never killed the paladins after dueling with Fredero though. But I'm thinking her third quest is the decisive one - don't go through trial and fail the whole questline, go through trial and succeed, go through trial but don't succeed. All of them end in violence, but in the second one good paladins take your side.