Mystic Theurge, anyone?

[sith69]

It seems like the best way to go is wizard/cleric (or druid) so that the requirements for the theurge are met at level 7 and theurge levels can be taken from then on.

But maybe it's better to take a class that doesn't get arcane spells until level 4, pushing the theurge class selection to level 8?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Iry]

Personal opinion. Go the other way.
Arcane 7 > Divine 3 > Theurge 10 (in that order)

This means you get theurge benefits much later, but the early game benefits of getting 3rd and 4th level spells is much nicer.

[Super-XIX]

MT is really not good and having only a handful of level 2 spells at level 8 really hurts.

But if you're gonna do it, go Cleric/Wizard so you lose as few spellcasting levels as possible.

[Incantus]

Problem is, you have a big enough party that MT isnt really needed.

MT is great when you have like 3 players as a way to combine divine and arcane casting into one, leaving the 2 others as tanky frontliner and rogue for traps and locks.

But with 5 there is little reason to go for it. Much better to go with a seperate caster for each subtype. For example Wizard into Arcane trickster is great due to sneak attack dmg on touch spells, makes alot more spells viable into the lategame.

And divine casters are really strong on their own in this, I understand the want to use MT and I love the fantasy behind a truly master spellcaster like that, but the game sadly supports it very poorly.

[TaKo]

Originally posted by Kross:

But with 5

5+MC

[Bob of Mage]

If you take the empyreal sorcerer archetype you can use wisdom for both your class' casting. Thus you don't need to boost two stats to cast. The fact that cleric or druid spells get added to the sorcerer's normally limited pool helps you be more flexable. Another option is feyspeaker druid and sorcerer since they both use charisma.

[Iry]

Originally posted by Bob of Mage:

If you take the empyreal sorcerer archetype you can use wisdom for both your class' casting. Thus you don't need to boost two stats to cast. The fact that cleric or druid spells get added to the sorcerer's normally limited pool helps you be more flexable. Another option is feyspeaker druid and sorcerer since they both use charisma.

I don't recommend it. Sorcerer gets access to spells one level slower, which is not a big deal for a pure Sorcerer, but a huge deal for MT.

Arcane 17 / Divine 13 doesn't give a Sorcerer the ability to cast 9th level spells.
Divine 17 / Arcane 13 also hurts because Sorcerer forces a 1 level delay on your Divine casting.

[TaKo]

Originally posted by Iry:

Originally posted by Bob of Mage:

If you take the empyreal sorcerer archetype you can use wisdom for both your class' casting.

I don't recommend it. Sorcerer gets access to spells one level slower, which is not a big deal for a pure Sorcerer, but a huge deal for MT.

u're better off picking something like plumekith aasimar(+2 to dex and wis) then do ur stats like 16 dex, 17 wiz 17 int, after a few levels those 17s become 18s and dex is good for ranged weapons and ranged touch spells(and AC)

or just going as a single caster

[Morgian]

Going MT is not much fun for like 10 levels (at 9 you have the same number of spells as a 9th level caster, you pull slightly ahead from then on). Using two caster stats allows to go wizard/cleric, granting access to 9th level spells with one of them. You end up as caster 17/13 anyway, so put the lesser stat on the lower level class and pack your offense into the other.

Using only one stat means using a sorcerer and losing a spell level, which is not too appealing to me after having used the 9th level spells.

The great advantage of the MT is his bandwidth and range/number of buffs. If your group profits from that, he might be useful. If not so much, you are probably better off by using two casters (which I did in the end).

[Bob of Mage]

I would point out that you only reach level 9 spells if you make it to level 20, and you aren't going to hit that unless you go out of your way to gain more exp then you would in a normal run.

[Morgian]

Yes, but you lose probably a spell level anyway, even if it is not the 9th. If you get to 16, you have a sorcerer 13/cleric 12, missing 7th-8th level arcane and divine spells.

In my last playthrough I did the xp management to hit 20, and I can tell you that a 20th level caster is way more fun than the rest during the last chapters. You need no fancy builds, a pure basic caster is all you need.

[Iry]

Originally posted by Morgian:

Yes, but you lose probably a spell level anyway, even if it is not the 9th. If you get to 16, you have a sorcerer 13/cleric 12, missing 7th-8th level arcane and divine spells.

This.

Every step of the way, you are one level behind because of Sorcerer. And it hurts. It genuinely hurts. And when you can easily get +10 to all your stats, sharing the same casting stat is underwhelming compared to what you suffer for it.

[Grifta]

Assume that you're only going to reach level 17 or 18. That is standard in all Pathfinder APs.

[Rasqual]

I have made one 4 sorc and 4 inqui , lot of versatility but not the best char i play. it's a funny character .

[Cleftin Twain]

Damn I was actually going to try this out using a touch build. Thanks for the heads up.

[Nightbringer]

Originally posted by Bob of Mage:

If you take the empyreal sorcerer archetype you can use wisdom for both your class' casting. Thus you don't need to boost two stats to cast. The fact that cleric or druid spells get added to the sorcerer's normally limited pool helps you be more flexable. Another option is feyspeaker druid and sorcerer since they both use charisma.

You are going to regret missing those caster levels later in the game when you have to overcome spell resistance.