Magical vestment, bug or no?

[OnlyOffensive]

This spell is supposed to give +armor enchantment, yet when i use it on say valerie who has +2 chest it still gives +2 AC. It also gives +2 AC to my nok-nok who wears no armor at all. I vaguely remember this spell not working on magic armors some "hotfixes" ago.

[OnlyOffensive]

Am i understanding right, that this spell should work only on non-magic armor without any pluses? ( or lower pluses than it gives )

[Sev]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

This spell is supposed to give +armor enchantment, yet when i use it on say valerie who has +2 chest it still gives +2 AC. It also gives +2 AC to my nok-nok who wears no armor at all. I vaguely remember this spell not working on magic armors some "hotfixes" ago.

It applies it to the character not the chest item.

The problem I think is the lack of regular non combat clothing. Be nice if you had a default clothing item appear in the chest slot (when you had no chest armour) that added no stats that could be targetted by the spell.

Then it would work much better.

[OnlyOffensive]

but dont you get +2 enchantment armor from armor?

As i said it gives +2 to nok-nok who has no armor....

[solthusx]

Magic Vestment adds a +1 Enhancement (specifically +1 every 4 caster levels) bonus to the armor. Magical Armors also have Enhancement bonuses so what I think you're running into is the rule where AC bonuses of the same type* (Enhancement bonus in this case) don't stack with each other and only the highest bonus will apply. So if you cast Magic Vestment at caster level 4 (+1 Enhancement bonus) on armor that already has a +1 Enhancement bonus, you won't notice any effect.

*Dodge bonuses being the exception, they always stack with each other.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Magic Vestment adds a +1 Enhancement (specifically +1 every 4 caster levels) bonus to the armor. Magical Armors also have Enhancement bonuses so what I think you're running into is the rule where AC bonuses of the same type* (Enhancement bonus in this case) don't stack with each other and only the highest bonus will apply. So if you cast Magic Vestment at caster level 4 (+1 Enhancement bonus) on armor that already has a +1 Enhancement bonus, you won't notice any effect.

*Dodge bonuses being the exception, they always stack with each other.

but im saying that it STACKS. Im casting magic vestment on Valerie who has dragonscale full plate +2 and it gives her +2 AC on top.

[jazzable]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Magic Vestment adds a +1 Enhancement (specifically +1 every 4 caster levels) bonus to the armor. Magical Armors also have Enhancement bonuses so what I think you're running into is the rule where AC bonuses of the same type* (Enhancement bonus in this case) don't stack with each other and only the highest bonus will apply. So if you cast Magic Vestment at caster level 4 (+1 Enhancement bonus) on armor that already has a +1 Enhancement bonus, you won't notice any effect.

*Dodge bonuses being the exception, they always stack with each other.

Yep, this. It´s rather wortless in a campaign ripe with magical armor.

[OnlyOffensive]

right, thats what i thought too, but it GIVES me +2 AC even when i have +2 armor equipped, and goblin doesnt have armor at all.

[solthusx]

Normal clothing that gives 0AC (no armor equipped) is a valid target for Magic Vestment, which is why your Nok Nok with no armor can get the bonus. If it gives your Valerie a +2 AC bonus when she's already wearing +2 Armor, then its not working as intended.

Edit: Just had an idea, what shield is Valerie using? I don't know if it works this way in the game but Magic Vestment can also apply its bonus to shields in tabletop.

[jazzable]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

right, thats what i thought too, but it GIVES me +2 AC even when i have +2 armor equipped, and goblin doesnt have armor at all.

Yeah, your post just ninja´ed mine.
Unless it´s some kind of untyped or other bonus it shouldn´t stack, you´re absolutely right there.
So im as clueless as you are.

[OnlyOffensive]

yea, i think it didnt work like 2 hotfixes ago, but now i just buffed it for fun and it worked. I guess ill stop using it.

It also has some weird description like [LONGSTART] and something else, guess its bugged.

Ill keep using it on goblin though, hes pretty good off-tank

[solthusx]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

yea, i think it didnt work like 2 hotfixes ago, but now i just buffed it for fun and it worked. I guess ill stop using it.

It also has some weird description like [LONGSTART] and something else, guess its bugged.

Ill keep using it on goblin though, hes pretty good off-tank

Looks like its bugged then, going by the bugged description. I originally thought Valerie could be getting the bonus because she's using a shield with no enhancement bonus (an admittedly highly unlikely scenario).

[HeLLfire]

Originally posted by solthusx:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

yea, i think it didnt work like 2 hotfixes ago, but now i just buffed it for fun and it worked. I guess ill stop using it.

It also has some weird description like [LONGSTART] and something else, guess its bugged.

Ill keep using it on goblin though, hes pretty good off-tank

Looks like its bugged then, going by the bugged description. I originally thought Valerie could be getting the bonus because she's using a shield with no enhancement bonus (an admittedly highly unlikely scenario).

Actually the unlikely scenario regarding the shield is correct according to this: (I haven't personally tested it)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/5/1730963192546074307/

"Magic Vestments (Shield) Only working on unenchanted armor / shields when it should work on enchanted. While you use the better of the two enhancement bonuses to AC, other effects such as DR, energy resistance, etc should stay on the item."

[solthusx]

I meant Valerie not having an enchanted shield at that point as being unlikely actually.

[OnlyOffensive]

i have both shield and armor enchanted. Also this spell splits between armor and shield on your choice.

To further confirm that its bugged, i loaded the game after that post and while i still had icon of vestment i no longer had +AC from it. On goblin aswell.

Its sad, i'd really like to use it on goblin, i find more and more spells being bugged, people dont usually report them or maybe dont notice.

To throw one more spell i notice bugged > divine might doesnt seem to give luck attack roll