Cleric of Shelyn and Valerie

[Slayer0220]

My main character is a Cleric of Shelyn... Valerie's quests are absolutely infuriating that they don't pay any mention of this at all. I should probably be ordering all of them around by the level I am now... or they should just leave us alone as Valerie serves me and I serve Shelyn. So FRUSTRATING!

[Arcane]

Same here, playing an aasimar herald caller of Shelyn - even uses the portrait of the guy with the glaive and the symbol on his robes. Barely even registered in conversation or during any of the quests... I made the character especially knowing I could romance Valerie too.

[dulany67]

I understand the frustration with the break in immersion. However, what you are asking for in a game of this size from a non-AAA dev is... well let's just say that it's unsurprising that the game doesn't react to your specific situation.

[Autocthon]

Bein ga Cleric of Shelyn (or Paladin, or Inquisitor) is not the same as being a member of the Order of the Rose.

[Arcane]

^ True, but you're ultimately still a representative of Shelyn and wield her divine power.


*slight spoiler*


Given that Valerie has been in your lands and working for you for a fair amount of time up until you meet the paladin she fights with, the fact you are providing her guidance and leadership could be seen as Shelyn using one of her *other* agents to watch out for Valerie or bring her back into the fold.

Doubly so in the case of my character being an aasimar. The paladins might see it as a holy sign that Shelyn is acting through other channels.

I don't even think this would require major overhaul of the quest line, but some reference to your character's faith in the dialogue would have been great.

[For_Science!]

Originally posted by Autocthon:

Being a Cleric of Shelyn (or Paladin, or Inquisitor) is not the same as being a member of the Order of the Rose.

Agreed. The last time the church of Shelyn saw your PC, you were a first-level cleric. They won't be taking orders from you; at most, they will be saying "Huh. Looks like the baron/baroness of this little flyspeck nation once studied at such-and-such cathedral. Maybe they're still sympathetic to our cause."

As far as the Order of the Rose is concerned, the fact that you're sheltering Valerie would be pretty strong evidence that you are not, in fact, on their side.

(Then again, I am used to a kind of Eberron aestethic, where the gods themselves are silent, if they exist at all. If this were Forgotten Realms, the paladins would be saying, "Wait, I've got Shelyn on line three. She says she's got the baron's back." Golarion, from my understanding, is somewhere in between?)

[TenSpeedy]

But is it as annoying as being a Paladin of Sarenrae and talking with Trisian.

[BloodDragon]

Do not forget in this world you are only one of millions of people that worship Shelyn so why should your opinion matter?
The gods of golarion don't really seem to care to much about you and your kingdom probably because for them the stolen land is fey territory so the elders are reponsible.

[GrandMajora]

You want to talk about breaking immersion?

Let's point out the fact that while playing as a Cleric of Urgathoa, or Erastil, you can still question Jaethal and Jhod about the specifics of their faith, and what your gods demand of their followers. And they don't so much bat an eye at how you should already be fully aware of that kind of information, but instead just explain it to you like any normal character.

No joke, you can flat out tell Jhod that you have "always though Erastil was a worthless deity," even if you're playing as one of his Clerics / Paladins / Inquisitors!

[belangf]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

No joke, you can flat out tell Jhod that you have "always though Erastil was a worthless deity," even if you're playing as one of his Clerics / Paladins / Inquisitors!

To be fair, priests don't always like their gods. See Durance in Pillars of Eternity.

[Slayer0220]

Pillars of Eternity is a whole different bag of garbage as far as divine goes =P

As far as the Order of the Rose is concerned, I'm a wielder of enough of their God's divine power to destroy all of them in their temple all by myself... There are not very many clerics of my level walking around let alone specfically of their Deity. If they're dumb enough to not know what's up, I should get a dialog option to put them in their place.

[The Infinity Sock]

I do think this is a really bad oversight on owlcat on valerie not noticing you are a cleric of shelyn what makes it more odd about it is linzi notes you are a cleric of shelyn but not valerie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0r7puPjd4

[Shinno]

Originally posted by The Infinity Sock:

I do think this is a really bad oversight on owlcat on valerie not noticing you are a cleric of shelyn what makes it more odd about it is linzi notes you are a cleric of shelyn but not valerie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0r7puPjd4

I believe Valerie IS noticing your faith, saying that she respects your devotion, but dislike Shelyn in general.

[GrandMajora]

I haven't attempted to play a cleric of every deity yet, but I noticed if you worship Calistria, there is actually several dialogue options that play off that fact.

Two cases in particular is when you choose whether to let Ekundayo kill the rock troll's children, and when you're deciding what to do with the woman who you rescue Octavia and Regongar from.