SAFE HARGULKA OR TARTUCCIO ? WITCH IMPACT FOR MY BARONY?

[ZephLarm]

Hello, I play evil law and when I reach the end of the harrim quest, I have the choice to satisfy (become a vassal of my barony) Tartuccio or Hargulka.
In both cases, Ekundayo goes away, the access inside the dungeon is no longer possible, however a village either troll or kobolt (depending on the choice) took place on the map ... J would like to know especially what is the impact on my barony of having a Troll or Kobolt fortress? Can they become counselors? Are there any quests to come? Do I earn resources for my Barony? Other?
A big thank you in advance for your answers (to my questions obviously!)

[Hobocop]

Nothing much happens after that. You get the ability to build Kobold warrens, a tier 2 structure in your town or city that gives +3 Espionage, +2 Community -1 Loyalty, but that's about it. No potential advisors, no follow up quests. I assume trolls would give something similar.

[Hobocop]

Interestingly, as a Neutral/Chaotic Good ruler, Ekun did not walk out on me when I spared Tartuk and allowed him to stay as a vassal. But I did bring him with me to resolve the quest he had there, also because Devourer of Metal.

[Lethe]

i read you also cant do harrims quest

[Altumnus]

From a Kingdom Management perspective, side with the Kobolds or neither. If you side with the Trolls you lose Ekun, and advisors are a very precious resource in this game.

[flemingo]

You can get the Kobold building without having Tartuk as a vassal. Sparing him and being nice to the Kobolds just outside is sufficient.

[dwarfpcfan]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Nothing much happens after that. You get the ability to build Kobold warrens, a tier 2 structure in your town or city that gives +3 Espionage, +2 Community -1 Loyalty,

you don't need to spare Tartuk, as long as you made friends with chief sootscale at the sycamore.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Darbie:

Both choices give a building that you can put in Tier 2 towns. That is everything you get. And you lose Ekundayo.

So nothing of value is lost.

[OnlyOffensive]

Yea except Ekun is one of the best companions, unless you are a ranger yourself.

Literally 0 sense siding with monsters for any alighment. All companions hate you for this, you lock you out of companion quests, and you also weak in body and mind if you cant handle some pathetic troll and traitor kobold and some madness tells you you want to deal with them.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Darbie:

Originally posted by Lethe:

i read you also cant do harrims quest

Yeah, you get booted out of the place before you can interact with the anvil. Super good design.

Well you side with worst possible enemies of dwarves and expect to reap some rewards? Learn to accept your choices.

[Hobocop]

I mean, if there's a reason why I can't just say 'wait a second, I want to look around before we leave' before being teleported outside, then sure.

But nah, no real reason. Just another 'gotcha' moment.

[Zaltys]

Ally with the kobolds. Ekun and all the other companions are fine with that, and it's a much better choice for the endgame. Whereas if you ally with the trolls Ekun leaves, and it has further negative consequences later, if you recruited Bartholomew as an advisor.

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Well you side with worst possible enemies of dwarves and expect to reap some rewards? Learn to accept your choices.

The devs have already said that it's an oversight, and will be fixed eventually.

[rimmidimdim]

Side note, I just found out, you can keep Ekun and keep Hargulka at Trolbold. During fight against Hargulka, let Ekun die. Its easy to do lol. Then after dialog with hargulka, resurrect him. Seems to work fine. Have no Idea about Ekuns quest line afterwards though. Cheers.

[Shadenuat]

Tartuk is more interesting.

You can get him as joinable companion in final chapter of the game.

and

Knowledge about his Curse helps for And So Shall you Reap (save Nyrissa from Curse) ending.

Don't know what happens if you ally with Hargulka.

[Gaz O'D]

I always kill Tartuk, but i may let him live this time. Quick question thought, if i let him live, do i no longer have access to the dungeon? Also what if i miss some important stuff in there yet ilonger have access to the dungeon? Is those items lost forever?

Cheers

[Shadenuat]

If you miss any items in dungeon, you can later buy them from kobold merchant outside of dungeon. That's if you turn Tartuk your vassal. You will be locked out of Harrim's quest though, unless they patched that.