Savage Bow vs Lucky Longbow

[Gregorovitch]

So I just picked up Ekun and, coincidentally I also found the Lucky Longbow. I already have the Savage Bow of course from friend Stag Lord.

Now the specs of these bows do not seem to matrch the price diffentials, but being a bear of very little brain, I thought I'd ask about this to find out what obvious factor staring me in the face I have been missing.

The Lucky Longbow sells for/is worth 3750g. It is a composite longbow + 1 and has special crit rating of 20(x4). This last part being it's only apparent distinguishing feature, raising the crit multiplier from 3 to 4.

The Savage Bow seels for/is worth 1750g. It is also a composite longbow + 1 and it's special feature is three casts of Aspect of the Falcon per rest. This gives additional +1 to attack rolls and increases the crit range from 20(x3) to 19-20(x3).

Now I'm looking at this and seeing with the Savage Bow he gets a 10% crit chance and +1 extra to hit over standard composite + 1 for four battles a day ('cos he comes with one cast of Aspect of Falcon already). Whereas with the Lucky Longbow he just gets x4 instead of x3 on a standard 5% crit chance over standard composite +1.

For me on the face of things this says Savage Bow FTW every time, so why is the Lucky Longbow more than twice as expensive. What am I missing?

[OnlyOffensive]

savege longbow is garbage, its basically +1 with buff, which you have yourself. Lucky longbow is good. I mean x1 increase of crit is like 16 level barbarian rage power and some very deep feat for figters.

Basically x1 multiplier is a VERY hard to get feature. Since there is alot of ways to make your weapon keen ( also you can take double crit threat once you hit 7 BAB as ranger ) that multiplier suddenly become VERY good.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

For me on the face of things this says Savage Bow FTW every time, so why is the Lucky Longbow more than twice as expensive. What am I missing?

That you can cast Aspect of Falcon yourself :)

And crit multiplier is very, very nice thing to have, so if only that lucky bow was +5 with some other usefull enchantment =(

[Dusty_Monk]

You have 4 weapon sets. Why not carry both? Use the buff from the savage bow then swap to the lucky bow.

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

For me on the face of things this says Savage Bow FTW every time, so why is the Lucky Longbow more than twice as expensive. What am I missing?

That you can cast Aspect of Falcon yourself :)

And crit multiplier is very, very nice thing to have, so if only that lucky bow was +5 with some other usefull enchantment =(

Yes but I can only cast one Aspect of Falcon per rest. With Savage Bow I can cast four.

[Andante]

just go to the troll fort and get your self devourer of metal a 4d6 bow basically. I'm playing on hard and the moment ekun got it, he kills most things in 1 round. He literally snipes enemy back line alchemists/casters all by himself.

Devourer of metal is so OP its hilarious for how soon you can get it, that and ekun is pretty OP himself with like 30 point build or something and pretty optimal feat selection.

[OnlyOffensive]

hm i didnt really test devourer due to -2 penalty on top of -2 from rapid shots. But if it lands damage is surely crazy.

His damage with lucky longbow is pretty good too though. Really powerful character.

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by Andante:

just go to the troll fort and get your self devourer of metal a 4d6 bow basically.

♥♥♥♥ me sideways. I agree that makes the question academic.

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

hm i didnt really test devourer due to -2 penalty on top of -2 from rapid shots.

There is always a bloody catch isn't there

[Andante]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Originally posted by Andante:

just go to the troll fort and get your self devourer of metal a 4d6 bow basically.

♥♥♥♥ me sideways. I agree that makes the question academic.

yep when you do go to troll fort, a tip for making the final boss fight 100x easier cast dispell on the boss troll

[Ghiron]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Originally posted by corisai:

That you can cast Aspect of Falcon yourself :)

And crit multiplier is very, very nice thing to have, so if only that lucky bow was +5 with some other usefull enchantment =(

Yes but I can only cast one Aspect of Falcon per rest. With Savage Bow I can cast four.

Aspect of the Falcon is a worthless ability if you have a bard or bracers of archery.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Andante:

just go to the troll fort and get your self devourer of metal a 4d6 bow basically. I'm playing on hard and the moment ekun got it, he kills most things in 1 round. He literally snipes enemy back line alchemists/casters all by himself.

Devourer of metal is so OP its hilarious for how soon you can get it, that and ekun is pretty OP himself with like 30 point build or something and pretty optimal feat selection.

alot of loot doesnt make sense. I just went to visit varnhold after invitation and found Necklace of something that makes you immune to fatigue/exhaust and toggles 2d6 aura that fatigues enemies around... and found it.... in the crate near fisherman hut. Really solid place for such an item. Its sell price is something around 18000

[Andante]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

hm i didnt really test devourer due to -2 penalty on top of -2 from rapid shots.

There is always a bloody catch isn't there

eh its not too bad the bow itself is +1 so with the -2 penalty its -1 to hit overall.

[corisai]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

hm i didnt really test devourer due to -2 penalty on top of -2 from rapid shots. But if it lands damage is surely crazy.

His damage with lucky longbow is pretty good too though. Really powerful character.

Throw Bard on top of it... And suddenly that bow will start to shine :)

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by Ghiron:

Aspect of the Falcon is a worthless ability if you have a bard or bracers of archery.

Well the big issue with Aspect of Falcon is it increases crit range from 20 to 19-20 which is a very big deal. It's worth more damage output than increasing crit multiplier from x3 to x4.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Andante:

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

♥♥♥♥ me sideways. I agree that makes the question academic.

yep when you do go to troll fort, a tip for making the final boss fight 100x easier cast dispell on the boss troll

And cast Enlarge & Hurricane Bow (on top over common Haste / Heroism / etc) on your ranger