Armor training?

[OnlyOffensive]

Fighter with level 3 armor training wearing full plate +1 ( 1 dex bonus ) has +3 from dex, but with 7 level armor training he still has +3 and dont get +4, something i missing? Or you cant get more if default armor 1?

The idea is that between first rank in armor training and second rank i got no extra dex bonus

[vysionier]

Lvl 3 should get you +2 from Dex, and lvl 7 should be +3

[OnlyOffensive]

ok, then i thought for some reason that i had +3 from dex before 7 lvl

[OnlyOffensive]

Actually no, i had quicksave for level 6 and it was +3 dex. Still +3 on 7. I use cat grace to boost to +4 though, does armor training work only with natural modifiers or smth?

[OnlyOffensive]

anyone knows how it supposed to work?

[Tomice]

Full plate allows +1 AC from dex
Magic full plate counts as "masterwork" armor, allowing +2 AC from dex (meant to represent better comfort when wearing it)
Fighter lvl3 gets 1 extra AC from dex (if he has 16 or more dex)
Fighter lvl7 gets another extra AC from dex (if he has at least 18 dex)

In other words:
If a (naked) character has 12/14/16/18/20 dex, he gets +1/2/3/4/5 AC from dex
most armors limit the AC you may get from dex, especially heavy armors
--> so usually high dex (above 12) is useless in plate mail
magic plate mail allows 1 more, so 14 dex is the maximum that makes sense for most chars wearing plate (paladin, cleric,..)
fighters are an exception, they have a special feature that makes high dex in combination with heavy armor useful (it makes sense to start your fighter with 14 dex and wait for belts that increase all 3 physical attributes)

[OnlyOffensive]

yes. But i had +3 dex bonus on level 6 and still +3 on level 7 with 18 dex ( buffed with cat grace ). Shouldnt i get +4 dex bonus after second armor training.

[Azunai]

check the encumbrance. if the character has medium encumbrance, max AC bonus from dex is capped at +3.

[Tomice]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

yes. But i had +3 dex bonus on level 6 and still +3 on level 7 with 18 dex ( buffed with cat grace ).

I agree, seems wrong. Maybe temporary buffs don't count for some reason?

[klaek]

Originally posted by Tomice:

Full plate allows +1 AC from dex
Magic full plate counts as "masterwork" armor, allowing +2 AC from dex (meant to represent better comfort when wearing it)
Fighter lvl3 gets 1 extra AC from dex (if he has 16 or more dex)
Fighter lvl7 gets another extra AC from dex (if he has at least 18 dex)

In other words:
If a (naked) character has 12/14/16/18/20 dex, he gets +1/2/3/4/5 AC from dex
most armors limit the AC you may get from dex, especially heavy armors
--> so usually high dex (above 12) is useless in plate mail
magic plate mail allows 1 more, so 14 dex is the maximum that makes sense for most chars wearing plate (paladin, cleric,..)
fighters are an exception, they have a special feature that makes high dex in combination with heavy armor useful

Masterwork does not impact max dex bonus, only armour check penalties.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Azunai:

check the encumbrance. if the character has medium encumbrance, max AC bonus from dex is capped at +3.

oh, thats nice to know. Didnt see any such info ingame

[Azunai]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Originally posted by Azunai:

check the encumbrance. if the character has medium encumbrance, max AC bonus from dex is capped at +3.

oh, thats nice to know. Didnt see any such info ingame

pretty sure it's in the the mouse over tooltip of the encumbrance bar

[OnlyOffensive]

well then i simply didnt see myself. That makes sense but at the same time it seems kinda hard to keep tank with shield at light encumbrance.