Spell Focus

[Sai Kyouji]

Does spell focus and greater spell focus help at all with auto-success magics like buff and summoning?

[CHAO$$$]

no
only for overcoming enemy save rolls

edit* spell focus is a requirement for spell specialization. Spell specialization allows you to cast a spell "as if" your caster level was 2 levels higher (only 1 spell, can be changed every time you level up) but thats not very useful for summons and buffs either.

[Sai Kyouji]

Pretty much useless to Transmutation n Conjuration huh

[Malacar]

Also note that Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus currently don't work for Sorcerers.

EDIT: Sorry for the misinformation, it turns out that Spell Focus works for most Sorcerers but it might be bugged for Arcane Bloodline sorcerers (needs confirmation).

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Pretty much useless to Transmutation n Conjuration huh

? Its two top spell focuses to pick lol. Want enemies to have 1 str or dex? Want all those cloudkills acid sprays etc? Dont forget that spell focus also opens spell specialization, and that one actually add +2 level to spell, which is incredible for almost any school

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Pretty much useless to Transmutation n Conjuration huh

Not at all! Disintegrate is transmutation, and Spell Focus Conjuration is the required feat for all summoning feats.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Malacar:

Also note that Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus currently don't work for Sorcerers.

are you sure about this? If that was the case, there would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of complains, thats supper common feature that needs to work, unlike bugs with dual wielding, shield bashes etc

[SIlverblade-T-E]

Originally posted by Malacar:

Also note that Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus currently don't work for Sorcerers.

actually they were working for a while, and then the item duplication bug came in and since my Main character was wearing the necklace giving +1 to enchantment DCs......lol
it went ot heck
DC 47 for Hideous laughter for example, sigh

[Sai Kyouji]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Pretty much useless to Transmutation n Conjuration huh

? Its two top spell focuses to pick lol. Want enemies to have 1 str or dex? Want all those cloudkills acid sprays etc? Dont forget that spell focus also opens spell specialization, and that one actually add +2 level to spell, which is incredible for almost any school

Do they help at all with the high level transmutation and conjuration spells tho?
And from what Malacar just said, does Spell specialization work with sorcerer?

[SIlverblade-T-E]

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Pretty much useless to Transmutation n Conjuration huh

? Its two top spell focuses to pick lol. Want enemies to have 1 str or dex? Want all those cloudkills acid sprays etc? Dont forget that spell focus also opens spell specialization, and that one actually add +2 level to spell, which is incredible for almost any school

correct! :)
Slow is one of the best debuffs in game
so is Stinking Cloud

[CatsWithShoes]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

no
only for overcoming enemy save rolls

edit* spell focus is a requirement for spell specialization. Spell specialization allows you to cast a spell "as if" your caster level was 2 levels higher (only 1 spell, can be changed every time you level up) but thats not very useful for summons and buffs either.

doesn't this make buffs and summons last longer at least? being considered two levels higher? maybe not the best use, but for the sake of clarity..

[OnlyOffensive]

im not sure whats best, but im pretty sure you are right. Stinking cloud is conjuration if im not mistaken

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by CatsWithShoes:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

no
only for overcoming enemy save rolls

edit* spell focus is a requirement for spell specialization. Spell specialization allows you to cast a spell "as if" your caster level was 2 levels higher (only 1 spell, can be changed every time you level up) but thats not very useful for summons and buffs either.

doesn't this make buffs and summons last longer at least? being considered two levels higher? maybe not the best use, but for the sake of clarity..

Read description, if for example summon states 1 round / caster level, add +2 caster level to duration, so yes, it does extend duration, probably in almost all cases ( might be some exceptions ) Its actually pretty good use, favorite haste/slow/summons even some abjuration defence pretty damn good.

Imagine creating 1st level with favorite spell magic missile, you can cast 2 missiles at once, its pretty damn worth. And the best thing is, you can change favorite spell any time you advance as spellcaster, so this feat never obsolete and always fun.

[Azunai]

transmutation has slow. one of the most awesome spells in the game :)

also DISINTEGRATE (no idea if that's in the game. my only mage is octavia and she's at level 4 wiz spells still)
and probably a bunch of others.

IIRC you need spell focus conjuration for the "augment summoning" feat which you probably want as a dedicated summoner.

[Malacar]

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Originally posted by OnlyOffensive:

? Its two top spell focuses to pick lol. Want enemies to have 1 str or dex? Want all those cloudkills acid sprays etc? Dont forget that spell focus also opens spell specialization, and that one actually add +2 level to spell, which is incredible for almost any school

Do they help at all with the high level transmutation and conjuration spells tho?
And from what Malacar just said, does Spell specialization work with sorcerer?

As far as I know, here are the things that don't work for sorcerers:

Spell Focus
Greater Spell Focus
Spell Specialization
Arcane Bond - Object (restore one spell after it's been spent, once per day)
UPDATE: It turns out that the above feats are only broken for Arcane Bloodline sorcerers. They should work for all other sorcerers.

Things that work with a caveat:
Elemental Focus
Greater Elemental Focus
These do work, but not if you change the element of a spell. For example, if you have Elemental Focus - Electricity, it will affect the DC of your Lightning spell, but not the DC of your Fireball spell if you make it do lightning damage using the Bloodline Arcana - Air ability.

I've tested all of this when the game got released. Some of these problems might have been fixed in the recent patches, but it's pretty unlikely since none of it were mentioned in patch notes.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Malacar:

Originally posted by Sai Kyouji:

Do they help at all with the high level transmutation and conjuration spells tho?
And from what Malacar just said, does Spell specialization work with sorcerer?

As far as I know, here are the things that don't work for sorcerers:

Spell Focus
Greater Spell Focus
Spell Specialization
Arcane Bond - Object (restore one spell after it's been spent, once per day)

Things that work with a caveat:
Elemental Focus
Greater Elemental Focus
These do work, but if not if you change the element of a spell. For example, if you have Elemental Focus - Electricity, it will affect the DC of your Lightning spell, but not the DC of your Fireball spell if you make it do lightning damage using the Bloodline Arcana - Air ability.

I've tested all of this when the game got released. Some of these problems might have been fixed in the recent patches, but it's pretty unlikely since none of it were mentioned in patch notes.

cmon man, surely if spell focus didnt work on sorc, there will be like 10 pages of it every day.

Can anyone else confirm this?