sword saint/rogue

[Petrosilius Zwackelmann]

hey guys, want to build a sword saint/rogue, because i want to play some melee spellcaster. is this the right combination? maybe 3 levels rogue/ rest sword saint or something else to put in? im thinking im going for duel swords. ty for your advice

[OnlyOffensive]

i dont think sword saint has much to do with spellcasting. Im not even sure why would they put weapon master into arcane caster category.

[Astareal]

Ignore the above poster.

Sword saint is the Magus Archetype Kensai, which translates to sword saint by the way Offensive.

Rogue 3 or 4 your choice. 4 gets debilitating strike which would help lower AC, but you delay spell casting further. Make sure you choose a 1 handed weapon for your finesse training.

[OnlyOffensive]

Originally posted by Astareal:

Ignore the above poster.

Sword saint is the Magus Archetype Kensai, which translates to sword saint by the way Offensive.

Rogue 3 or 4 your choice. 4 gets debilitating strike which would help lower AC, but you delay spell casting further. Make sure you choose a 1 handed weapon for your finesse training.

It might be Kensai from their set, but it's pretty obvious weapon master from basic d&d games, no? Well aside from the fact it got arcane powers of some degree. Im not saying it's bad or smth, just weird for me.

[Astareal]

This game is based on the pathfinder rule set so naming conventions from 2nd edition dont apply. Its a magic weilding, non-armour weilding fighter mage hybrid. Similar to how you multiclassed baldurs gate Kensai and wizard.

[Bulvox]

I'm doing this exact build once they get the next patch out. Current plans are to go Knife Master Rogue 1/ Kensai Magus 4/ Arcane Trickster using the Accomplished Sneak Attacker feat at level 5 to qualify for the Prestige Class. This should cut down your loss of spell castings while also giving you a good amount of Sneak Attack dice.

[Shazbot!]

multiclassing rogue/sword saint

why

Originally posted by Astareal:

Rogue 3 or 4 your choice. 4 gets debilitating strike which would help lower AC

Wow a whopping -4 AC.

[Tarbal]

I started as a sword saint and decided magus didn't suit my playstyle. They are more for touch attacks that stack with your melee attacks. Their strong point is that they can cast and attack in the same round. I don't know of any other class that can do that.


If you're like me though, a more fitting build would be 2 fighter / 8 eldritch scoundrel / 10 eldritch knight. Eldritch scoundrel is a rogue archetype which gets arcane spell casting. What I did was start as a fighter with 10 str and 17 + 2 (human) dex, with elven curve blade 2 hander (finessable). Take level 2 as the eldritch scoundrel and get weapon finesse, which makes your chance to hit based on dex rather than str. 2 more levels in eldritch scoundrel and you get finesse weapon which makes your damage based on dex as well. Put your bonus stat points as you level up in dex and int (start with 14 int and aim for 16 for 6th level spellcasting ability).


It's arguably weak for the first 4 levels, but doable. At level 9, I frequently crit for 45+ damage, and I can't be hit due to shield (spell), mirror image, and displacement. The elven curve blade is really the best way to play a rogue caster without casting penalty, besides playing a magus. I have not gotten to level 11 yet though, so I'm not sure how well the 10 levels of eldritch knight prestige will work out. A lot of pathfinders think its a weak prestige. However, this build will allow you to continue getting arcane casting levels (up to tier 6 spells at level 20) and get enough feats to take things like arcane armor, accomplished sneak attacker, precise strike, arcane strike, combat casting, etc, for insane damage, all the while being a sick off-tank due to buffs.

[Petrosilius Zwackelmann]

Originally posted by Tarbal:

I started as a sword saint and decided magus didn't suit my playstyle. They are more for touch attacks that stack with your melee attacks. Their strong point is that they can cast and attack in the same round. I don't know of any other class that can do that.


If you're like me though, a more fitting build would be 2 fighter / 8 eldritch scoundrel / 10 eldritch knight. Eldritch scoundrel is a rogue archetype which gets arcane spell casting. What I did was start as a fighter with 10 str and 17 + 2 (human) dex, with elven curve blade 2 hander (finessable). Take level 2 as the eldritch scoundrel and get weapon finesse, which makes your chance to hit based on dex rather than str. 2 more levels in eldritch scoundrel and you get finesse weapon which makes your damage based on dex as well. Put your bonus stat points as you level up in dex and int (start with 14 int and aim for 16 for 6th level spellcasting ability).


It's arguably weak for the first 4 levels, but doable. At level 9, I frequently crit for 45+ damage, and I can't be hit due to shield (spell), mirror image, and displacement. The elven curve blade is really the best way to play a rogue caster without casting penalty, besides playing a magus. I have not gotten to level 11 yet though, so I'm not sure how well the 10 levels of eldritch knight prestige will work out. A lot of pathfinders think its a weak prestige. However, this build will allow you to continue getting arcane casting levels (up to tier 6 spells at level 20) and get enough feats to take things like arcane armor, accomplished sneak attacker, precise strike, arcane strike, combat casting, etc, for insane damage, all the while being a sick off-tank due to buffs.

mhh maybe im trying this, are there some good curved elven blades in the game? only got the standard one so far

[Tarbal]

Originally posted by Petrosilius Zwackelmann:

mhh maybe im trying this, are there some good curved elven blades in the game? only got the standard one so far

Best I've found so far is a +1 keen. Here's hoping there are better ones. Even with that, I outdamage Amiri though with much better tankiness and versatility.

[Petrosilius Zwackelmann]

i think i stick with my sword saint, just thinking about instead of adding rogue levels maybe eldritch scion would be better and later get arcane trickster.