No Hurricane Bow for Eldritch Archer?

[IRWorm]

Eldritch Archer spell question:

I don't know the reason why, whether developer oversight, video game balance, core rules fine point, or bug, but I sure hope this can be both answered and changed. The Eldritch Archer's first level spell choices don't include Hurricane Bow. Why not? It would seem like a natural fit! I hope this was a mistake that will be fixed. If not I'm actually curious as to why. Anyone know?

[Procrastinating Gamer]

Probably a couple of reasons.

1. It's a Magus archetype so is constrained to the Magus spell list (which lacks Hurricane Bow).
   
2. Owlcat never considered adding it as a bonus spell for the Magus because, as near as I can tell, the spell was made specifically for this game and doesn't exist at all in tabletop (or if it does then it's under a very different name)

[Stigelmo de Axes I]

The spell is called "Gravity Bow" and it's a ranger and wizard spell, so not in the magus spell list

[Procrastinating Gamer]

İlk olarak Stigelmo de Axes I tarafından gönderildi:

The spell is called "Gravity Bow" and it's a ranger and wizard spell, so not in the magus spell list

Ah thanks.

So it's missing because it's not on the Magus spell list and it's not often that an archetype adds spells that the base class can't access. They exist, but I don't think the Magus has any outside of the ones from Occult Adventures (where they become psychic casters rather than arcane ones which is, y'know, a little more extensive a change than just adding a spell or two).

[IRWorm]

Hey thanks a lot for the responses. I'm unfamiliar with PnP Pathfinder but I played ADD way back when. So should I consider Magus psychic casters then? I guess that means adding a spell by finding scrolls is out? I haven't tried yet because I haven't found a spell scroll I'd wanna keep in a spell book yet.

[OnlyOffensive]

btw not really related, but im trying to build martial wizard with hurricane bow and other transmutation stuff, does it count attack as normal weapon? No bonuses for being wizard etc? I don't really want use it, if it will constantly miss.

[IRWorm]

İlk olarak OnlyOffensive tarafından gönderildi:

btw not really related, but im trying to build martial wizard with hurricane bow and other transmutation stuff, does it count attack as normal weapon? No bonuses for being wizard etc? I don't really want use it, if it will constantly miss.

All it does from its description is grow your bow. You attack rolls are whatever your class and level are plus buffs. If you use bless, bard song, and a masterwork or magical bow and you have high dex, you should be ok even as a wizard. True shot helps too but it's a one shot deal.

[OnlyOffensive]

i don't really remember, but shouldnt d&d have a 5/6 level spell that boosts your combat stats skyhigh at the expense of being able to cast spells for some time ofr wizards? I mean that should be obvious addition, otherwise all those weapons are kinda clunky to pull off.

[Kosiciel]

It is available through Greater Spell Access - which is nice, but a bit late (level 19). Also, damage upgrade really isn't that much, because spells and sneak attacks are most of it anyway.

[IRWorm]

İlk olarak Kosiciel tarafından gönderildi:

It is available through Greater Spell Access - which is nice, but a bit late (level 19). Also, damage upgrade really isn't that much, because spells and sneak attacks are most of it anyway.

Ah so most players are suggesting a multiclass combo into rogue or vivisectionist for ranged sneak attack? That's a good idea. I was thinking of just pure Eldritch Archer.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

İlk olarak Eightball tarafından gönderildi:

Hey thanks a lot for the responses. I'm unfamiliar with PnP Pathfinder but I played ADD way back when. So should I consider Magus psychic casters then? I guess that means adding a spell by finding scrolls is out? I haven't tried yet because I haven't found a spell scroll I'd wanna keep in a spell book yet.

The Magus is still an arcane caster like a wizard (spellbook and all), I was just referring to an archetype that's in the tabletop but didn't make it into this game (the Mindblade[aonprd.com], turns the Magus from an arcane caster into a psychic one and lets them form their weapons from raw psychic energy).

[Selvokaz]

19 level Magus arcana allows them to add a spell from the wizard spell list doesn't it? Sounds like it solves the problem, also You can find a wand of Lead Blade which is for rangers but UMD is a Magus skill isn't it, which may have the same effect, Enlarge Person also carries a similar benefit though you lose -2 to Dex, and another -1 to hit because of size I think.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

get UMD and some scrolls/wands for it i think i've found a few just like i did for amari... cause lead blades stacks with enlarge for her ginormous sword....

[Naked Granny]

İlk olarak Shadow88 tarafından gönderildi:

Probably a couple of reasons.

1. It's a Magus archetype so is constrained to the Magus spell list (which lacks Hurricane Bow).
   
2. Owlcat never considered adding it as a bonus spell for the Magus because, as near as I can tell, the spell was made specifically for this game and doesn't exist at all in tabletop (or if it does then it's under a very different name)

It's called "Gravity Bow" and is on the Ranger and Sorc/Wiz spell lists only: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/gravity-bow

For an Eldritch Archer, an Archer Ranger isn't a really terrible multiclass, depends on your perspective. Worth it? Ehhhh.... that one spell isn't really that important in the grand scheme of things. You can enchant your bow with other sources of +1d6 damage. It's just not worth worrying about.

[Procrastinating Gamer]

İlk olarak Aunt Tony tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Shadow88 tarafından gönderildi:

Probably a couple of reasons.

1. It's a Magus archetype so is constrained to the Magus spell list (which lacks Hurricane Bow).
   
2. Owlcat never considered adding it as a bonus spell for the Magus because, as near as I can tell, the spell was made specifically for this game and doesn't exist at all in tabletop (or if it does then it's under a very different name)

It's called "Gravity Bow" and is on the Ranger and Sorc/Wiz spell lists only: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/gravity-bow

For an Eldritch Archer, an Archer Ranger isn't a really terrible multiclass, depends on your perspective. Worth it? Ehhhh.... that one spell isn't really that important in the grand scheme of things. You can enchant your bow with other sources of +1d6 damage. It's just not worth worrying about.

Yeah, someone else pointed out the name change earlier.

[vicheron]

İlk olarak OnlyOffensive tarafından gönderildi:

btw not really related, but im trying to build martial wizard with hurricane bow and other transmutation stuff, does it count attack as normal weapon? No bonuses for being wizard etc? I don't really want use it, if it will constantly miss.

It just increases damage.

If you want to boost accuracy, the Wizard gets a lot of buffs later on. The level 2 spell Cat's Grace increases Dexterity, which increases ranged accuracy. Level 2 also has the Sense Vitals spell, which basically gives you 1d6 sneak attack every 3 caster levels.