Beast totem?

[Angelus Dark "Kingbreaker"]

The barbs feat makes me wonder. Like beast totem lesser says she gets two claw attacks while berserking. Does that exchange her basic sword attack. or is it like an extra attack on top if it?

[Yoinkyz]

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[Randomz]

It's a specific scenario and natural attacks are always pretty tricky. The wording is whether or not your natural attack is a "primary" or "secondary". A primary natural attack will always be used instead of your weapon (this is usually okay in PnP to make you more threatening when you are unarmed which does not happen in Kingmaker). Secondary attacks will always be added to your attacks at the end at a -5 penalty. Claws are primary natural attacks, bites are secondary.

[Yoinkyz]

Originally posted by Randomz:

It's a specific scenario and natural attacks are always pretty tricky. The wording is whether or not your natural attack is a "primary" or "secondary". A primary natural attack will always be used instead of your weapon (this is usually okay in PnP to make you more threatening when you are unarmed which does not happen in Kingmaker). Secondary attacks will always be added to your attacks at the end at a -5 penalty. Claws are primary natural attacks, bites are secondary.

then why pick them? if they get a -5 ;p

[Randomz]

Originally posted by BROTATO:

Originally posted by Randomz:

It's a specific scenario and natural attacks are always pretty tricky. The wording is whether or not your natural attack is a "primary" or "secondary". A primary natural attack will always be used instead of your weapon (this is usually okay in PnP to make you more threatening when you are unarmed which does not happen in Kingmaker). Secondary attacks will always be added to your attacks at the end at a -5 penalty. Claws are primary natural attacks, bites are secondary.

then why pick them? if they get a -5 ;p

I should clarify. It does -5 from your highest BAB. It's to treat them as another iterative attack. Like how when you hit level 6 on a barb your attacks go to +6/+1. If you have a bite it'll be +6/+1/+1(bite). Note that natural attacks don't get additional iterative attacks so you won't ever get two bites.

[FM Helldiver Radio]

So Amiris "beast totem, lesser" replaces a 2d8 sword attack with a 1d6 claw attack?

I don´t see how this makes sense. Dosn´t this just cut the possible damage to half?
Whats the benefit of the ability?

[Iry]

Lesser Beast Totem is really bad.
But Greater Beast Totem is absolutely awesome.
So consider it a power tax.

[FM Helldiver Radio]

So it´s just a totally senseless skill being a prereqisite to a better skill?
This design of this game is so strange.....

[Kel'Ithra]

Originally posted by Gooru:

So it´s just a totally senseless skill being a prereqisite to a better skill?
This design of this game is so strange.....

Progression comes directly from the table top.

[Mr Fred]

The first 2 rage power of that chain are horrible and are only there to let you get pounce at lvl 10.
The full attack after a charge will work even with your weapon which is amazing and totally worth picking 2 useless powers.

[Iry]

Originally posted by Gooru:

So it´s just a totally senseless skill being a prereqisite to a better skill? This design of this game is so strange.....

That’s pretty much D&D in a nutshell. This is the trademark that made Linear Warrior / Quadratic Wizard a gaming standard for decades. For good or bad.

[Zeran]

Wait... doesn't Beast Totem ( second trait ) negate the negative AC of Rage? How is this a useless pickup?
The first skill is throwaway tho... unless you're playing unarmed.

[Ramirez Thale]

Originally posted by Zeran:

Wait... doesn't Beast Totem ( second trait ) negate the negative AC of Rage? How is this a useless pickup?
The first skill is throwaway tho... unless you're playing unarmed.

the reason the second feat is largely useless is that most people have equipment that gives them natural armour and it doesn't stack from multiple sources

[Yoinkyz]

how do people even find my old threads xD

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by Ramirez Thale:

the reason the second feat is largely useless is that most people have equipment that gives them natural armour and it doesn't stack from multiple sources

Natural Armor bonuses stack with each other. The equipment give Natural Armor Enhancement bonuses, of which you can have only 1.

[Doombringer]

I know this is an old thread, but:
Getting 2 claw attacks instead of 1 weapon attack can be good at low level, especially if you have high strength.
Once you get 2 base attacks (or a really good weapon) you never use it...

(If your hands are empty you use claws, otherwise you use weapons. You are never forced to use claws instead of weapons.)