Tristian as Mystic Theurge?

[GrandMajora]

Build Idea:

Ecclesitheurge 6

Empyral Sorcerer 4

Mystic Theurge 10

Tristian's a good healer, but I feel like he's one of the offensively weakest members on the party. Together with Octavia, they cause the party to stop for camp way more times than should be necessary. So I'm wondering if making him a Mystic Theurge would be a good idea to either beef up his offensive abilities, or to give him a crap ton more support magic slots he can bring to the table.

What do you think?

[LordSerion]

MT are lagging far behind in terms of spell progression. That said, Tristian is an ideal choice if you go that route.

[Mork]

It look fun and good but actually, its a really bad class..

Don't do it.. unless you don't mind respecting

[PhocasByz]

rohanin made a try on this build
https://www.gog.com/forum/pathfinder_kingmaker/companion_builds/post32

Tristian - Fire Lord Ranged Damage / Healer Build
End Game: Ecclesitheurge 6 / Empyreal Sorcerer 4 / Mystic Theurge 10

[jsaving]

I've run that build before. It is a great build if you want someone with a wide variety of buffs and a solid build if you want to combine low to mid level healing with low to mid level offensive spells. However you should go into a MT build with your eyes open, your caster level won't be high enough to reliably overcome enemy spell resistance nor will you be very good at dispelling for the same reason.

I wouldn't personally give up several mass heal spells no matter how many low to mid level offensive spells I wanted to cast. When fighting trash mobs it doesn't matter whether you can cast a lot of low to mid level offensive spells because you are going to win those battles anyway. But when fighting powerful mobs it also doesn't matter because you can't afford to waste a turn casting comparatively weak spells. The punchline is that if you do want to go MT, you should do it because you want to be the game's best buffer, not because you believe you can fuse a strong cleric and a strong mage into a single character.

[Senkoau]

Yep I use that build with Tristan as my buffer/secondary healer/caster. My character is my primary caster, Harrim is primary healer, Valeria and Jaheira front line and Linzi as rogue class.

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

Originally posted by jsaving:

nor will you be very good at dispelling for the same reason.

Dispel isn't calculated by your caster level

[Mork]

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

Originally posted by jsaving:

nor will you be very good at dispelling for the same reason.

Dispel isn't calculated by your caster level

Yes it is

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1839121805

[[VN] Michael Doan]

octavia is one of weakest offensive char ?

Bruh have u seen the Arcane trickster ray damage ?

[=[NK]= Col. Jack O'Neil]

Originally posted by Mork:

Originally posted by =NK= Col. Jack O'Neil:

Dispel isn't calculated by your caster level

Yes it is

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1839121805

Well.. Thanks for that! I stand corrected!

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by VN Michael Doan:

octavia is one of weakest offensive char ?

Bruh have u seen the Arcane trickster ray damage ?

And she can scarcely go 4 points on the world map, before she has to stop for camp!

[[VN] Michael Doan]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by VN Michael Doan:

octavia is one of weakest offensive char ?

Bruh have u seen the Arcane trickster ray damage ?

And she can scarcely go 4 points on the world map, before she has to stop for camp!

Same can be said about all wizards in general.

U know wat else u can do with her ? dip 1 monk into her, equip the agile rapier (as early as stag lord too) ..... profit.

Any class with sneak attack is insanely better at dps, untill u meet crit immune mobs

[haplok]

Originally posted by VN Michael Doan:

octavia is one of weakest offensive char ?

Bruh have u seen the Arcane trickster ray damage ?

Moreover, have you seen her aoe damage (needs AT10 Surprise Spells)?
https://i.imgur.com/WjcQSrR.jpg

[[VN] Michael Doan]

Originally posted by haplok:

Originally posted by VN Michael Doan:

octavia is one of weakest offensive char ?

Bruh have u seen the Arcane trickster ray damage ?

Moreover, have you seen her aoe damage (needs AT10 Surprise Spells)?
https://i.imgur.com/WjcQSrR.jpg

Exactly.

[Senkoau]

You can also nab a ring of sustenance and amulet of no fatigue so the character wearing it doesn't need to eat or rest (and can do double duty in the camp).

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by VN Michael Doan:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

And she can scarcely go 4 points on the world map, before she has to stop for camp!

Same can be said about all wizards in general.

Yeah, Wizards who were stupid enough to make Constitution a dump stat! They're already coming into the game with the lowest amount of HP per level, so bumping that up to a minimum of 12 seems like it would be common sense. She has a base level of 8, meaning she has a -1 penalty, unless you beef it up to 10 at levels 4 and 8.