Why is it still using Denuvo?

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

People have accused me of being a hacker. Which im very much not. i have to ask why does it use this software that has been denounced as malicious? Is it the multiplayer? Does it really work for it not be cracked?

[Bleydoka]

denuvo is antipiracy software which usually cause performance problems. can it be cracked? sure but it takes effort and is better than no security at all.

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

Originally posted by Bleydoka:

denuvo is antipiracy software which usually cause performance problems. can it be cracked? sure but it takes effort and is better than no security at all.

But it ends up being worse for the actual people who boguht the game. Because their pc in hindered by it. Meanwhile hackers have already released an illegal copy of the game. I just wondered if it helped with online hackers.

[BaronSengir]

Originally posted by Bleydoka:

denuvo is antipiracy software which usually cause performance problems. can it be cracked? sure but it takes effort and is better than no security at all.

How is it better than no security at all for me the consumer?

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Bleydoka:

denuvo is antipiracy software which usually cause performance problems. can it be cracked? sure but it takes effort and is better than no security at all.

Yeah, except pirates had access to this game literally BEFORE the paid customers did due to the fiasco with the demo. There was ZERO reason to keep denuvo in this game from Squenix's perspective. They didn't remove it even to this day for an extremely simple reason: they do not care.

Also, whatever that software does for them should not matter to you. You are a paying customer who bought the game legitimately and denuvo isn't making the game any better for you. What's even worse you're forced to play a worse version than the pirates, who enjoy a game without denuvo in it thanks to the demo not having it either back in the day, which also run a bit faster than the actual paid version.

You are a customer, not their employee. Stop acting like a sucker.

[ehs03y3ol]

Originally posted by DaBa:

What's even worse you're forced to play a worse version than the pirates, who enjoy a game without denuvo in it thanks to the demo not having it either back in the day, which also run a bit faster than the actual paid version.

You can get most of the benefits of the pirated version using the SpecialK mod with antidebug. It might be running a bit better on the stutter side couse it might have Steam API removed. AVATARA update that was responsible for the worst performance on the game, was purged long ago. Also, this release is several outdated and is not compatible with episode Ardyn. Not sure how much about it's gains of performances is about Denuvo, as there no way to compare it standalone with exact same build.

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

Originally posted by ehs03y3ol:

You can get most of the benefits of the pirated version using the SpecialK mod with antidebug. It might be running a bit better on the stutter side couse it might have Steam API removed. AVATARA update that was responsible for the worst performance on the game, was purged long ago. Also, this release is several outdated and is not compatible with episode Ardyn. Not sure how much about it's gains of performances is about Denuvo, as there no way to compare it standalone with exact same build.

Thanks, ill try that mod.

[Dee]

its fascinating this none still have denuvo as Square has been removing denuvo from their games within a year ... recently even Forspoken ..... makes me wonder why would they still pay the licence to keep it in FF15 after all these years

[Serafie1999AD]

The director of the game left Square Enix 4 years ago, and after that, the game was pretty much abandoned and hasn't been touched since.

[Dee]

well its the same team as Forspoken , and they just removed it from Forspoken yesterday ... not like director is involved in deployment of files to steam

i guess its its the usual random square enix being random

[Cyber Akuma]

Because most likely the license S-E used when they put Denuvo on this either lets them keep it on this title for as long as they want, or keep it for this current update. Most likely the latter. You used to see this happen with a few games in the past, even some S-E titles like Final Fantasy 12. Release with Denuvo and then they NEVER remove it... but they need to patch it someday years later (FF12 did this when the Switch port got announced) and the patch also removes Denuvo... but if they never need to ever patch it again Denuvo stays.

Considering FF15 didn't do well I doubt S-E is looking into porting this to Switch or ever touching it again, so unless there is some legal reason to patch it it's never getting another patch and thus never getting Denuvo removed, since I doubt they are going to release a patch just to remove Denuvo out of the goodness of their hearts.

At the very least, it seems like Denuvo doesn't have that kind of licensing terms anymore, or if they do nobody wants to take the offer for it being much more expensive, because many modern Denuvo games seem to regularly remove it after six months, which leads one to believe that there is a new contract where they are only allowed to use it for six months. I assume they can probably extend it every six months, but many seem to feel that is not worth it and just remove Denuvo after that time... sadly some (Looking at you Hi-Fi Rush) opt to keep it anyway.

[LUIGI MALATESTA]

Originally posted by Cyber Akuma:

Because most likely the license S-E used when they put Denuvo on this either lets them keep it on this title for as long as they want, or keep it for this current update. Most likely the latter. You used to see this happen with a few games in the past, even some S-E titles like Final Fantasy 12. Release with Denuvo and then they NEVER remove it... but they need to patch it someday years later (FF12 did this when the Switch port got announced) and the patch also removes Denuvo... but if they never need to ever patch it again Denuvo stays.

Considering FF15 didn't do well I doubt S-E is looking into porting this to Switch or ever touching it again, so unless there is some legal reason to patch it it's never getting another patch and thus never getting Denuvo removed, since I doubt they are going to release a patch just to remove Denuvo out of the goodness of their hearts.

Well. Sh*t. Im not going to play this game then i guess. And a few others i already bought, that is really bad, more so considering GoG.com sells some of the same games without Denuvo but at a higher price for me. Sad.

[Chris]

Denuvo is anti consumer software and i refuse to buy games with it. Like gaben said: Piracy is a service problem and drm measures arent the way. You have to give customers a better service than the pirates. Simple as that. Also denuvo only hurts honest customers and isnt there because of piracy....its here to satisfy shareholders. Everyone who uses denuvo doesnt respect you

[Handoiron]

DRM is NOT anti-consumer.

Consumers are the users who actually pay for the game.

If there were no DRM measures taken, then the price would have to go up for consumers to off set lost revenue due to thieves stealing access to the game.

It doesn't matter if a handful of people manage to pirate the game despite DRM measures taken, with no DRM at all the number of people pirating the game would be HUGE.


It doesn't take much common sense to realize that game companies wouldn't go to the expense of having DRM if it didn't cause a net gain in revenue. It also doesn't take much common sense to realize that game developers have to use pricing to balance incoming revenue and development costs so the game companies don't go bankrupt.

More pirates because there are no anti-piracy measures means fewer paying customers. Fewer paying customers means higher pricing per customer to recover development investment.

[Cyber Akuma]

Originally posted by Handoiron:

DRM is NOT anti-consumer.

It's pretty much the definition of it, not even others I have seen who defend Denuvo aill argue that it's not anti-consumer.

If there were no DRM measures taken, then the price would have to go up for consumers to off set lost revenue due to thieves stealing access to the game.

Witcher 3
Cyberpunk
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Psychonauts 2
Ratchet & Clank

And that's just off the top of my head. All major releases, all didn't use Denuvo, all didn't in any way have to raise prices.

with no DRM at all the number of people pirating the game would be HUGE

Except all those games with the exception of the last one sold like crazy on PC.

It doesn't take much common sense to realize that game companies wouldn't go to the expense of having DRM if it didn't cause a net gain in revenue.

Actually, we have seen time and time again that game companies constantly pull bone-headed moves. Like how Denuvo was ADDED to Tokyo Ghostwire a year after release, which means a denuvo-free version had been out there for a year and adding Denuvo now did jack all to it.

It also doesn't take much common sense to realize that game developers have to use pricing to balance incoming revenue and development costs so the game companies don't go bankrupt. More pirates because there are no anti-piracy measures means fewer paying customers. Fewer paying customers means higher pricing per customer to recover development investment.

Harvard would disagree with you. No really, they did a study on piracy and basically said the opposite of everything you said. Look it up, piracy has never caused bankruptcy, because the vast majority of people do not pirate even if they could.

[Handoiron]

The people who argue against anti-theft measures fall into two types:

People who want to steal and don't want to be stopped by anti-theft measures.

People stupid enough to be convinced by thieves that anti-theft measures are bad for non-thieves.