FYI This is a Visual Novel

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Just FYI, this is more visual novel than an RPG. There is no combat or normal RPG mechanics. I think the only reason people think this is an RPG is because they think 100% of games are RPGs because you "play a role."(Rookie mistake...) Just letting people know because I had to refund a different game that was mislabelled a CRPG, and it turns out people just labelled it that because it was like DE... This is not an actual RPG like Baldur's Gate...

[Cybersquirt]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

considering their reaction to comments about their username, it's equally likely that all this is over people putting clown stickers on their posts.
i mean, like i said, they walked back their original points, as if they were going to move into good-faith discussion, 8 days ago.

I mean.. consider this game and what y'all are doing,

I agree this game is more a click-novella than RPG but is it any less an RPG when we are given statistics? We will always be beholden to the writers' interpreTAtions. Can any game be an RPG that doesn't account for any scenario? Or do we need to just play along with the dialogue <that's what I do,

Loved the youtube link, btw. One pinpoint in the mass.*mess

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by GuffBall:

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

considering their reaction to comments about their username, it's equally likely that all this is over people putting clown stickers on their posts.
i mean, like i said, they walked back their original points, as if they were going to move into good-faith discussion, 8 days ago.

Possibly, can't say I'm sure either way. Yes they have gone back on pretty much everything they've said but it's hardly been one of those conciliatory, I could have said that better statements.

Their name did make me laugh though especially considering the posts they made.

Never went back on one thing I said. Utter BS. Provide the exact set of quotes where I contradicted myself... That's what I thought...

Kind of hard to go back on what I said when I have been the only one consistently saying in this thread that this isn't an RPG, and that RPGs have had combat since their inception in the 1970s.

[GuffBall]

Originally posted by cybersquirt:

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

considering their reaction to comments about their username, it's equally likely that all this is over people putting clown stickers on their posts.
i mean, like i said, they walked back their original points, as if they were going to move into good-faith discussion, 8 days ago.

I mean.. consider this game and what y'all are doing,

I agree this game is more a click-novella than RPG but is it any less an RPG when we are given statistics? We will always be beholden to the writers' interpretions. Can any game be an RPG that doesn't account for any scenario? Or do we need to just play along with the dialogue <that's what I do,

Loved the youtube link, btw. One pinpoint in the mass.*mess

One of the failings of CRPG's compared to TT RPG's is you can only do what the developer thought of in the first place. That doesn't make CRPG's bad, or inferior, but just different. So I'd probably say that in my group I have to make up something like a third (at least) of the content on the fly. It's something I rather enjoy.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by GuffBall:

on the fly.

and that's not even factoring in home-brews/rules, which affords you the latitude to be even more off-the-rails. generally systems abstract a lot out, for pacing reasons, but for people who like crunch, they can insert "phoenix command" or "friday night firefights" to make the combat crunchier and have that quality that's more of a co-operative "painting a picture" with math than story-telling.
and vice-versa, you can add the narrative "crunch" from systems like BRP/CoC to "phoenix command/fnf" to flesh out that part of the "engine".
which is what you're doing, in the computer gaming field, they'd think of it as a "paper prototype", but it's building a pen-and-paper game engine.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by GuffBall:

oh, wow. went by the /tg/ board on 4chan, for nostalgia reasons, and saw a thread from a few days ago that might explain this phenomena (since this is the 2nd person recently that evoked gygax without seeming to know basic things about ttrpgs).
apparently there's been attacks on gygax's character/life, and in reaction to that, it seems like the kinds of people who go looking for arguments starting taking him up as some kinda anti-pc hero/figurehead or something. huh, sometimes life is funny.

[Goblin]

I kinda agree with this since it's 95% reading. But wow it's phenomenal. I recommended this to some friends who like visual novels. I wish the gaming media had more story focused titles like Disco Elysium, hopefully in the future


didn't read the entire thread as I assumed there was an argument, just my 2 cents

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by Goblin:

didn't read the entire thread as I assumed there was an argument, just my 2 cents

sorta. but not about the topic. oddly enough, for the last 2 weeks, it's been whether or not this user said:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

I used VN as kind of a slander, I don't consider this really a VN either. It's not an RPG, it's not a VN

which for some reason, they still claim never happened. basically, you made the best/right move to dodge all that.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by Goblin:

I kinda agree with this since it's 95% reading. But wow it's phenomenal. I recommended this to some friends who like visual novels. I wish the gaming media had more story focused titles like Disco Elysium, hopefully in the future


didn't read the entire thread as I assumed there was an argument, just my 2 cents

Hopper King basically makes up nonsense and keeps starting arguments, so I blocked him. I don't know what to do with people who fundamentally CAN'T READ...

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Um, no, and you don't seem to understand what we are talking about. 100% of RPGs have combat. The fact that you had to go to the 1970s to a tabletop game to find 2 outliers kinda proves I am right LOL. I'm just really knowledgeable about the history of RPGs, which Is why I knew someone would mention an outlier. It absolutely proved my point though. There is nothing "bad faith" about me educating you or others who don't know nearly as much as me about the genre.

you know, at the time, i didn't realize what was going on. but now that i know they've never played disco, it makes sense that they thought the two major combat scenes in the game were somehow in some game from the 1970s, a statement that still makes little sense now.

[Opodeldox]

An RPG, as any genre, is defined by the fact that many people recognize it as one. This is true for anything. You can create a defintion for what an apple is, that excludes some apples, but if people recognize these apples, that are outside of your denition of apples, still as an apple your definiton does not matter.

[Blanca's ponytail]

Yep my grandma told me so.

[Cybersquirt]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

Originally posted by Goblin:

I kinda agree with this since it's 95% reading. But wow it's phenomenal. I recommended this to some friends who like visual novels. I wish the gaming media had more story focused titles like Disco Elysium, hopefully in the future


didn't read the entire thread as I assumed there was an argument, just my 2 cents

Hopper King basically makes up nonsense and keeps starting arguments, so I blocked him. I don't know what to do with people who fundamentally CAN'T READ...

I know they've been trolling you hard but stop being baited, please?

AFA the OP.. this game has so many dialogue triggers I can't follow. THIS IS A GOOD THING and makes it the ultimate RPG, IMO.

I've already mentioned the combat thing -- combat is inherent since the dawn of DOOM, but not all PC games.

BTW, it's so much more than a Visual Novel.

[Cybersquirt]

Originally posted by Opodeldox:

An RPG, as any genre, is defined by the fact that many people recognize it as one. This is true for anything. You can create a defintion for what an apple is, that excludes some apples, but if people recognize these apples, that are outside of your denition of apples, still as an apple your definiton does not matter.

Right.. I forgot this is the new age. Because 2016 was a wash, 2024.

So many hashtags - Can we get a post on the general STEAM forums for what they all mean? what is roguelike?

RPG = Role Playing Game.

*CRPG is the Industry infecting you with its' poison.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by cybersquirt:

I know they've been trolling you hard but stop being baited, please?

yeah, might be more believable if this wasn't a copypasta twin to this thread:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1674920/discussions/0/595138831417615032/
where completely different anons reached the same conclusion we did.

[Cybersquirt]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

Originally posted by cybersquirt:

I know they've been trolling you hard but stop being baited, please?

yeah, might be more believable if this wasn't a copypasta twin to this thread:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1674920/discussions/0/595138831417615032/
where completely different anons reached the same conclusion we did.

I didn't copy-paste anything. OMG, who cares? it's a game forum(s) dude.

Why attack people for their opinions?