FYI This is a Visual Novel

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Just FYI, this is more visual novel than an RPG. There is no combat or normal RPG mechanics. I think the only reason people think this is an RPG is because they think 100% of games are RPGs because you "play a role."(Rookie mistake...) Just letting people know because I had to refund a different game that was mislabelled a CRPG, and it turns out people just labelled it that because it was like DE... This is not an actual RPG like Baldur's Gate...

[Nabs]

It has various dialogue RPG elements even though there is no combat. Also visual novels typically refer to a screen with an image with dialogue below or above, not an RPG-like game with no combat.

[tt]

>RPG Historian
>Doesn't know what defines an RPG

edit: OP was named RPG Historian at the time of this reply

[Sieda]

Troll post trying to bait with absurd contrarianism. One of the cool things about this game is you get to beat up guys like this.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by Nabs:

even though there is no combat.

there's two short tsr-era style d&d combat sequences. the mercs, which i think was hit-roll, saving-throw, hit-roll, saving-throw.
and the lady with the device that jams you up, which was shorter with something like just a saving-throw and a hit-roll.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by tt:

>RPG Historian
>Doesn't know what defines an RPG

I Literally can write a thesis on what defines an RPG.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

Originally posted by Nabs:

even though there is no combat.

there's two short tsr-era style d&d combat sequences. the mercs, which i think was hit-roll, saving-throw, hit-roll, saving-throw.
and the lady with the device that jams you up, which was shorter with something like just a saving-throw and a hit-roll.

I knew someone would mention those. They are obvious outliers.

Tagging things incorrectly is a huge thing on Steam now, not just with RPGs. People have been spamming the LGBT tag on stuff to hurt sales of games they don't like as well.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

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I knew someone would mention those.
I knew

at least you're admitting this was all in bad faith. saves people wasting time here.

p.s.: you got visual novels mistaken with choose-your-own-adventure.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

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I knew someone would mention those.
I knew

at least you're admitting this was all in bad faith. saves people wasting time here.

p.s.: you got visual novels mistaken with choose-your-own-adventure.

Um, no, and you don't seem to understand what we are talking about. 100% of RPGs have combat. The fact that you had to go to the 1970s to a tabletop game to find 2 outliers kinda proves I am right LOL. I'm just really knowledgeable about the history of RPGs, which Is why I knew someone would mention an outlier. It absolutely proved my point though. There is nothing "bad faith" about me educating you or others who don't know nearly as much as me about the genre.

I used VN as kind of a slander, I don't consider this really a VN either. It's not an RPG, it's not a VN, it's an Adventure game. Way back they would have called this a text adventure or Point n Click Adventure, maybe even a Detective game. But no one would ever call this an RPG.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by tt:

>RPG Historian
>Doesn't know what defines an RPG

This is the same dude who thinks this is an FPS because, although it has no shooting, you play as person. Great logic, guys.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by Sieda:

Troll post trying to bait with absurd contrarianism. One of the cool things about this game is you get to beat up guys like this.

Um, hate to break this to you, but you don't actually beat up anyone. There's no combat in this game haha. But you read some text about a fight, I guess. Good for you.

[Hopper-King]

the sliding goal-posts is kinda interesting. he's running the same bait on two boards. he even lifted the second paragraph from:"
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1674920/discussions/0/595138831417615032/

Originally posted by Syrris:

Umm, D&D is not the be-all-end-all of RPGs, nor was it the first RPG, nor are RPGs inherently fixated on combat. D&D-alikes tend to be because of the wargaming history but it's a much broader genre than that.

In any case, Steam tags are pretty much useless regardless of what they are, particularly given the amount of troll-tagging that goes on.

to try to make his point of view seem more reasonable.

other there:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

D&D is pretty much the forefather of all RPGs

to sell that rpgs need to be like d&d.
over here:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

The fact that you had to go to the 1970s

because apparently d&d before the 2000s isn't a "real rpg".
ad&d 1st ed and dragonlance? trash, apparently.
2nd edition and forgotten realms? garbage.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

the sliding goal-posts is kinda interesting. he's running the same bait on two boards. he even lifted the second paragraph from:"
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1674920/discussions/0/595138831417615032/

Originally posted by Syrris:

Umm, D&D is not the be-all-end-all of RPGs, nor was it the first RPG, nor are RPGs inherently fixated on combat. D&D-alikes tend to be because of the wargaming history but it's a much broader genre than that.

In any case, Steam tags are pretty much useless regardless of what they are, particularly given the amount of troll-tagging that goes on.

to try to make his point of view seem more reasonable.

other there:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

D&D is pretty much the forefather of all RPGs

to sell that rpgs need to be like d&d.
over here:

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

The fact that you had to go to the 1970s

because apparently d&d before the 2000s isn't a "real rpg".
ad&d 1st ed and dragonlance? trash, apparently.
2nd edition and forgotten realms? garbage.

Um, that link is to MY comments in another thread. I'm not clear what you think "lifting" is...

My point of view IS reasonable, I don't have to "make" it seem more reasonable. It sounds like a reasonable argument, because... I make reasonable arguments.

If you don't know about D&D and RPGs, why are you arguing with someone like ME? I don't have time to give you the history of Civil War gaming and RPGs, but my God man, at least educate yourself.

And here is where he COMPLETELY misses my point: I never said D&D wasn't an RPG before the 2000s, quite the opposite. I was making the point that he proved me right, by having to go 50 YEARS in the past to find an example of an RPG without combat. The ironic thing is those modules, like all D&D, HAVE combat mechanics; people can just choose not to fight. The reason this isn't an RPG and never will be is: you don't even have the option. You have to talk your way through everything, making this more of a VN or text-based detective adventure.

Anyone buying this game expecting a CRPG, will at the least be a little peeved, or at most pissed and refund it. It's not just this game, but a lot of stuff being incorrectly tagged on Steam as RPGs because people don't really know what the genre is.

[Hopper-King]

i'm definitely not saying you're one of those people who wear diapers and that "rpg historian" really means you like to re-enact your baby-album, but literally asking someone to pretend like you didn't walk back pretty much everything you initially said and to explain things you know like you're a child is not the kind of "roleplaying game" i'm into.

[Hopper-King]

Originally posted by RPG Historian:

by having to go 50 YEARS in the past to find an example of an RPG without combat.

wait, is that what you thought i was trying to say? lmao. you think d&d didn't have combat until 3rd edition? wow. the distinction i was making was the math for the dice-rolls are simplier, like in disco.

[GuffBall]

Originally posted by Hopper-King:

i'm definitely not saying you're one of those people who wear diapers and that "rpg historian" really means you like to re-enact your baby-album, but literally asking someone to pretend like you didn't walk back pretty much everything you initially said and to explain things you know like you're a child is not the kind of "roleplaying game" i'm into.

I'm trying to work out if they are just a troll (quite possibly) or are a bit ignorant about the number of different TT RPG's out there. Although combat is generally a mainstay there are a number of them that don't have combat or aren't combat focused at all. I play Call of Cthulhu (CoC) and out of the fourteen sessions or so of our current campaign there's been two combats of which one consisted of the PC's thinking better of it after a single round and running away.

CoC does have a combat system but it also has a big red banner with avoid it where ever possible unless you like generating a new characters.