Disco Elysium

Disco Elysium

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neo2001 Dec 1, 2023 @ 2:00pm
Am I too stupid for this game?
I've tried to play this game multiple times, but the first dialog or monolog or whatever it is, totally confuses me and I have no idea what to select and what it all means. I'm not very good with poetry in general and this feels a bit like that. Is the whole game like that? Maybe it's just not for me?
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Parrot Dec 1, 2023 @ 9:09pm 
Basically anything you don't hear from someone else is some part of the main character's mind that he has attributed a voice to, and we are experiencing it. The game is very confusing, it's okay. Don't be afraid to fail, some non essential but useful things you can obtain are actually behind a failed check, but also don't feel bad about quicksaving to get something you want done to happen. I believe in you
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gleb Dec 2, 2023 @ 5:14am 
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yeah you are too dumb to play this game. just refund it
Du-Vu Dec 2, 2023 @ 11:04am 
Could be a great way to learn. You can always stop and look things up if you don't know what's being said. Having the words voiced sometimes makes it easier to understand from context than just reading poetry, as well.

But yes, it's highly poetic, particularly in the descriptive text. Some of the other character dialogue is more conversational. But it's up to you whether it interests you or not.
ULTRA Dec 3, 2023 @ 5:38pm 
It's not exactly James Joyce or something. You might just not be connecting with the very pathetic protagonist and his very pathetic emotions.
Puzzled Sphinx Dec 7, 2023 @ 5:51pm 
tbh its almost impossible to empathize or connect to the characters so you arent stupid, the story is just poorly written and assumes you are "on board" before actually making any effort to get you on board.
Yuri Enthusiast Dec 7, 2023 @ 7:12pm 
The opening scene is intentional, the purpose of it is to make you disoriennted like the character. But it does get better, you know the world better as time goes
Dr. LoveStrange Dec 9, 2023 @ 1:04am 
I don't think you should label yourself smart or stupid based on whether or not this game makes sense to you. For a couple reasons.

1. We don't pop out of the womb 'smart'. We come out scared, confused, and really 'not smart' - we don't even know about object permanence for some days or weeks even. But would you call a baby 'stupid'? The point is that being confused by something represents an opportunity to learn something new, which means a chance for personal growth even. Yes, even from a computer game - art in any form has the power to do that for us.

2. The designers of this game have clearly conspired to confuse you. It's not meant to make sense. Not at first anyway. They've made this story confusing in a couple ways. Firstly, as you alluded in your post - its an unusual style of telling a story that feels cryptic to the point of being poetry if you're expecting a typical narrative with the usual plot devices. A narrative complete with twists and plot devices ARE indeed in there, but they're buried behind the filter of the main character's mind. Think of it as though its a first person novel. Like any first person novel, you can only learn about the plot by way of 'listening in on' the musings of the main character, right?

What makes it vastly more confusing than just that is the fact that the main character is a total wreck, at least the start. Which is why I'm confident that they want you to be confused. They want you to be confused, because it WOULD BE confusing to be that much of an alcoholic, waking up from a three day bender in a trashed hotel room, having pushed it so far that you've suffered some kind of mini-stroke or something and have lost access to almost everything concerning your past and identity. Even your name.

As others have described, the way that information is filtered to you manifests in very quirky ways, like talking neckties and funny voices representing various aspects of the character's mind. Each of the 'skills' you develop has its own voicing - generally the same voice actor, but as the game proceeds you'll notice more and more that each 'skill' has a unique 'tone' to it. The kinds of words it uses, its pacing, etc. 'Logic' is always calm, 'Electrochemical' is always partying, 'Authority' is always dominating, 'Empathy' is always sensitive to how people other than the main character are feeling, etc. The poetry part comes largely from the more abstract skills - 'Conceptualization' and 'Shivers', for example. Conceptualization is literally the skill of abstracting things from other things, or in other words, extreme pattern finding and creative vision. Shivers is a little vague and confusing to me still, but I gather that it's meant to be how well the character has their fingers on the pulse of the city he lives in.

Which brings me to yet another way the game is confusing - the same reason why every game or story that is set in a world that is not our own is confusing at first: all the location names, all of the historical events frequently alluded to, all of the famous people talked about, are all fake. There's no getting around this one - but there's also no definitive need to fully understand the game world in order to enjoy the game. It does add something if you do put in the time to figure it out, but be patient with it because it doesn't tell you everything all at once, and so you'll have to put it together as you go.

While we're all used to that last source of confusion, when its compounded by the others it makes for a pretty dizzying narrative. So no, you're definitely not 'stupid' for not getting it. Try again, and just allow yourself to be confused. If it's still not fun, then it's just not your kind of game. Not liking a game doesn't make you stupid either.
Lasoor Dec 10, 2023 @ 1:28am 
Originally posted by Dr. LoveStrange:
But would you call a baby 'stupid'?
Yes. Next question.
Naomi Dec 10, 2023 @ 7:00pm 
Originally posted by Lasoor:
Originally posted by Dr. LoveStrange:
But would you call a baby 'stupid'?
Yes. Next question.
I mean, what's it going to do? Call you names back?
Dr. LoveStrange Dec 12, 2023 @ 3:56am 
Originally posted by Lasoor:
Originally posted by Dr. LoveStrange:
But would you call a baby 'stupid'?
Yes. Next question.

It was a rhetorical question. Next thoughtless comment. =P

My point wasn't that baby's are 'smart', it was that it's a little harsh applying labels to people, or to yourself, for the crime of simply not knowing something. Especially since none of us know anything at birth.
Lasoor Dec 12, 2023 @ 4:47am 
Originally posted by Dr. LoveStrange:
Originally posted by Lasoor:

Yes. Next question.

It was a rhetorical question. Next thoughtless comment. =P

My point wasn't that baby's are 'smart', it was that it's a little harsh applying labels to people, or to yourself, for the crime of simply not knowing something. Especially since none of us know anything at birth.

You sure speak in a very condescending tone for someone who doesn't recognize a joke.
Nethiar Dec 14, 2023 @ 8:18pm 
Not at all. The developers put all their effort into running everything through a thesaurus to sound smart rather than communicating in a direct and efficient way. There's only so much long-winded pretentious babble you can take before you start to tune it out.
Relapze Dec 14, 2023 @ 8:40pm 
I think it's likely a person to person thing. I found this game to be simply amazing and the opening scene specifically is absolutely amazing. I think it would hit more if you were adult who actually struggled at all, ever in life. If you are young, lacking knowledge or experience, many of the most wonderful parts of this game will be completely missed on you. I was actually pretty depressed when I first played this game and had a lot of unfortunate ♥♥♥♥ going on irl, I had big bottle of cream liquor and was drinking that ♥♥♥♥, living in my car and nestled into blankets in a walmart parking lot, in a cold winter night. (True actually lol). And man, with that amazing buzz I had, that opening scene had me absolutely hooked... I think I even cried with how much I could relate to what the character had going on. The protagonist having drunk himself into absolute oblivion, which is what a lot of us do who have experienced some harsh ♥♥♥♥. The protagonist had gone through something heart breaking and simply wanted to stop feeling, stop existing, that is what we soon find out in the story. But the character is starting out having internal dialogue with parts of his own body. While he was blacked out into oblivion, there was no pain, there was no him. Just sweet, amazing nothingness. And parts of his body were starting to bring him back to reality, back to the world he didn't want to participate in. There are dialogue options to try to remain in this sweet state of oblivion but eventually you are forced to come back to reality when he is starting to see the light creeping in, to feel his hangover, etc. So ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ relatable for some people. And so I think if you can either empathize or even sympathize with the characters, the game hits so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard.

This game is an absolute masterpiece with how they managed to break a person down to all their core parts. All of the "skills" are really just parts of the body, the mind, personality types. I assure you, you wont find anything like this in any other medium. And so you get to experience a rather poetic personification of what is normally the automatic processes happening within your body and mind. It's really a genius game. If you don't care about psychology, what makes people tick, motivations for behavior, and even the over arching examination of politics, the game isn't for you. It's not typical, tropey, rehashed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's a thinking mans (or womans) game. It may not be your speed, but I can tell you this game is soo good for those who find value in what it has to offer. And it even allows you some options of how you want your character to act, and what sort of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ he will say. It's an amazing game, If I could I'd reset my memories just to play it again new.
Power_Bert Dec 16, 2023 @ 9:35am 
Yes, you are too dumb. Refund it and buy the new Call of Duty instead.
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Date Posted: Dec 1, 2023 @ 2:00pm
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