The ending kinda sucked ass?

[allen the dumpster]

I enjoyed this game a lot. And I was enjoying the ending, too. But then a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ big ol bug showed up? Ruined the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tone? Ok. Not that big of a deal. Kinda symbolic maybe I can dig it. We go to the island and we just talk. Ruined the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ pacing? Ok. Now this ending kinda sucks ass. Cuno was sick though.

It's not that I didn't like it because it was anti-climactic or anything. It's for the reasons stated above, as well as the fact that it feels like it's just setting up for a sequel. That's so lame. Had a 10/10 story comin up and then it just fell flat on it's face.

[RebirthOfJack]

I'd say the whole "who is the killer" aspect could've been done a tiny bit better, since the killer is someone we never knew or had any chance to meet prior to the ending (still, there are a few cool foreshadowing moments like how the corpse says communism killed him but love pulled the trigger).

I absolutely adored the giant insect at the end, because i became pretty interested in the cryptozoologist plotline and having done just the right choices earlier + having the right attributes allowed me to have one of the coolest conversations i've ever had in a videogame, plus it shows just how much more supranatural the world really is.

Also, who could forget the best dialog in the entire game? "In honor of your will, lieutenant-yefreitor. That you kept from falling apart, in the face of sheer terror. Day after day. Second by second.

DETECTIVE
ARRIVING
ON THE SCENE"

The ending was an easy 9.5 outta 10 for me.

[Ash//Fox]

Publicado originalmente por Kain:

Well, it is a premise that's set up though, you ARE a detective and you have to investigate a murder and the whole game revolves around that, you are arrived at the place to solve a crime and you are accompanied by another detective that further pushes you in that path.

So, turns out in the end it wasn't a whodunit, but the game establishes itself as such, thus I think the disappointment with the ending is well deserved.

Well still though it just seems like you're judging it all based off of expectations of a hypothetical and significantly more boring game where potentially it turns out that the Hardies actually did do it or something.

Even if that's how you want to think about it you DO still solve a greater mystery, you uncover a long running web of interconnected conspiracies and secrets including a tear in the fabric of reality that more or less explains the entire plot of the story.. OP feeling like it was just some weird out of no where twist is a good example of someone failing to solve the *real* mystery because they were overly focused on of flawed intuitive assumptions they made. Isn't that ultimately what most good detective stories are about? Noticing subtle clues you could have picked up to come to the correct conclusion? You came into this game assuming your job was only to find who killed Lely and prevent the bloodshed of the Tribunal; and if you just do a really lazy investigation that's exactly what it is, you assume based on a rumor the man was hanged because of the strike, you get them to confess that they didn't really do it, accuse some random girl only to find out it was a dead end and then a bunch of people die because you have nothing to show for your investigation. You get up and go find the real shooter at the one place you haven't checked out and find him and it's just some guy you don't know. It comes off as a bad story if and only if you do everything wrong, make a bunch of assumptions you don't challenge and get tunnel vision on the mystery.

On the other hand if you take Harry's advice and remember that everything is connected to everything you don't just solve the murder, you gain a sublimely *missable* wider understanding of the world you find yourself in as well as the how and why of everything related to the murder; including the framing device of how the player is an amnesiac detective who is supposedly great but doesn't really know what they're doing and can't remember anything about this new fantastic word that's just a little different from our world. The mystery wasn't bad, you just didn't solve it because you weren't thinking like a detective.

[Kain]

That's eloquent, but doesn't change the fact on how the game is set up and that people disliking the ending makes sense. 'Boring' though, is a very personal view, the fact it was set up as a detective story, is not.

[loppantorkel]

Publicado originalmente por Kain:

That's eloquent, but doesn't change the fact on how the game is set up and that people disliking the ending makes sense. 'Boring' though, is a very personal view, the fact it was set up as a detective story, is not.

'It's set up as a detective story'... The game contains a detective story in the sense that you're a detective, investigating a murder in a fictional world. No one has lied to you or tricked you into thinking it was something it's not. You imagined it would be something that it's not, and you and some other people didn't like the ending. That's all there is to it.

[Kain]

Publicado originalmente por loppantorkel:

Publicado originalmente por Kain:

That's eloquent, but doesn't change the fact on how the game is set up and that people disliking the ending makes sense. 'Boring' though, is a very personal view, the fact it was set up as a detective story, is not.

'It's set up as a detective story'... The game contains a detective story in the sense that you're a detective, investigating a murder in a fictional world. No one has lied to you or tricked you into thinking it was something it's not. You imagined it would be something that it's not, and you and some other people didn't like the ending. That's all there is to it.

I liked the ending, but it was flawed as a detective story that it set up to be. That's all there is to it. I don't think it was misleading, just flawed.

[_oBSOLEte_]

Publicado originalmente por Kain:

It's a I explained, the games sells itself and paces itself as a detective story, but who the killer is, is irrelevant.

It's indeed stated in the marketing blobs on the store pages, on Steam and elsewhere. Murder mystery, crack the murder case...

Well in the end the game master just really wanted to tell its own linear story without any real player interaction.

[Jakuzi]

my biggest disappointment with the ending was that I put effort into finding this insect, I played up that my character believed this stuff and when I saw it I thought I was being rewarded for my choices
then I looked it up and it turns out no matter how you play you get that ending

[JustJephrey]

I loved 95% of this game, although i haven't played the Final Cut and I hear the new VO can be off putting. My only complaint is, we were basically playing a "Who Done It" murder mystery but the person that killed the guy we were never introduced to or even given a hint about existing. We only come across him because of video game logic. I was so disappointed. They should of at least given us the opportunity to piece together clues to solve the case. Just some rando wacko that was jealous and fked in the head was a huge let down. But the rest of the game was soem of the best RPGing i've done on pc.

[ShadyLurker]

Publicado originalmente por M4st0d0n:

Yeah it was a meta ending. You did the quest and found a bug. It's a self aware videogame. Very postmodern, fourth wall breaking. Could have been more subtle.

subtle is not HARDCORE.

[Flesh]

I mean the Phasmid was hinted at pretty early on, didn't really disappoint me. It felt in line with the world, things are insane, and i'm not surprised that it went this way.

I think the Tribunal was the climax, and I did love the twist that communism had survived all these years in the form of a soldier who never completed his duties.

Only downsides of this game imo were some of the side quests that felt way too short or confusing after resolution.

[Flesh]

Publicado originalmente por JustJephrey:

I loved 95% of this game, although i haven't played the Final Cut and I hear the new VO can be off putting. My only complaint is, we were basically playing a "Who Done It" murder mystery but the person that killed the guy we were never introduced to or even given a hint about existing. We only come across him because of video game logic. I was so disappointed. They should of at least given us the opportunity to piece together clues to solve the case. Just some rando wacko that was jealous and fked in the head was a huge let down. But the rest of the game was soem of the best RPGing i've done on pc.

Certain stats reveal hints early on. You can study that "fixed window" and also talking to the dead body with certain stats (not sure which ones, maybe even certain thoughts) cause him to say "COMMMUNNIIISSSSMMMM" when you ask who killed him. Which is very obviously pointing towards the long lost soldier. If you successfully study the fixed window, one of the results is "some island way off, but whoever would fire from there must have insane accuracy and training" EVERYTHING changes based on stats, and thought you can't discover him until after the tribunal, the hints are there. One of his guns is even hidden somewhere in town.

[El Breado]

Let me guess, an american?

[_oBSOLEte_]

Publicado originalmente por ShadyLurker:

Publicado originalmente por M4st0d0n:

Yeah it was a meta ending. You did the quest and found a bug. It's a self aware videogame. Very postmodern, fourth wall breaking. Could have been more subtle.

subtle is not HARDCORE.

Mmm OK fair enough. At least I'll have a funny tie.