Convince me to keep playing. please.

[Captain Skinny]

So I like so much about this game.
The visuals, the music, the tone. I think its great. The intro was fantastic and instantly drew me in. But right now, I've only got a few hours.
Here is my dilemma, and I will be forthright with it: I do not like being sermonized. I play games to escape and relax and disappear into another world for a while where I can forget the current one. So when any media product makes this consistent effort to teach me a lesson, I resent it, and I resent my time being used so that I may be informed of something the creator decided I should know. I just don't like it. That's not what I came here for.
Now, this isn't to say I don't love David Copperfield or won't watch The Matrix because it has Platonian allegories, in fact I demand thoughtfulness and intelligent writing in my media. I just don't like it feeling like a bludgeon.
Now, we all know what year it is and how the world at large is right now, a scary place with lots of bad going on, so I hope you can appreciate my unwillingness to spend my free time battling those same issues, only through the proxy of an alcoholic detective in some weird new age France. I GET it. I've heard it, I've been told. I don't need to be told again, I just want to solve a murder with my soft-spoken, oft-set-upon jacket-clad partner.

So my question is this: Can I play through this game and avoid the constant haze of modern day politics?

[n#n#m#]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από El Shabs:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από theindustrialrevolutionanditscon:

Yeah bro I just wanna play something with no politics like Fallout or COD

CoD is very political , they're games set in conflicts from a very American point of view :) . I'm sure there are entire message boards and forums dedicated to crying about CoD too lol.

Pretty sure it was a jab at OP.

[psychotron666420]

The game was made by legit communists, but that being said (as someone who's pretty much as staunch anti communist you can get), I find it's one of the most balanced games when it comes to politics.

It doesn't try to teach you anything, except that all the political ideologies have massive flaws. You can even play an anti Communist and mention all the failings of Communism.

You can tell the writers have quite a bit of knowledge about politics in general, as opposed to surface level one liners like "pro capitalism means you hate people and want poor people to die" like you'd see in a feminist game.

If I were to guess of the politics of the devs (knowing that they admit to being pro communist) is that they seem like they could have been libertarians at one point before switching to Communist. They at least seem like anarchist communists as opposed to latte Liberal elitists "communists".

[Precurse]

The entire MO of the game is everyone politically being stuck in the past and don't look at the bigger picture in life. The entire game is about politics, from the investigation to looking into the reasons why a successful commercial district fell to poverty.

Politics is in everything, just like how it is IRL. If you want to "Escape" politics go play Call of Duty, where the Americans are fighting the Russians over oil or something because that's not political at all

[Mr. Duck Sauce]

So my question is this: Can I play through this game and avoid the constant haze of modern day politics? [/quote]

Oh no, brain hurty, hurty brain me.

[Captain Skinny]

You know, I had largely abandoned this thread as I have had my question answered, and mostly in a polite and courteous way by people who understood my position.
But I hate to tell you, Mr. Duck Sauce, if you think there's anything intellectually stimulating enough in this game to make brain hurty, you need to expand your intellectual diet.

[Sardonic]

If you experience discomfort with political ideology, then engaging with them in a safe context like this game may be exactly what you need to work through them. Especially as so much of contemporary ideology is rarely discussed with the level of clarity and honesty at the level it is in this game.

What you're likely tired of the moronic tribalism that passes for contemporary political discourse, not actual ideology.

[tehloki]

every (extreme or moderate) ideology is made to look clumsy and ridiculous in this game, so if you think it's either making fun of you, or trying to teach you a specific one-sided lesson, you're just insecure

[Keene]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cynocephalus I:

You know, I had largely abandoned this thread as I have had my question answered, and mostly in a polite and courteous way by people who understood my position.
But I hate to tell you, Mr. Duck Sauce, if you think there's anything intellectually stimulating enough in this game to make brain hurty, you need to expand your intellectual diet.

You should have abandoned, these people ♥♥♥♥ talking you thinking that makes their point more valid are dumb. Not sure if you gave the game another go but i'm somewhat in the same boat as you. The politics drive me off but I really still want to dig into the meat of the game someday. This day is not it though

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cynocephalus I:

So my question is this: Can I play through this game and avoid the constant haze of modern day politics?

You can.

The politics of Revachol is part of their daily lives. You can always choose to belittle or ignore them, but everyone will always try to sway you to their directions.

That being said, what a weird thing to pandering on on this game.

Yes, this game is heavy on the politics expositions, but then again it is hard not to include the politics side of thing to explain how Revachol, especially how martinaise came about.

Imagine you are a drunken police in a post-war torn Crimea. Yes you are working on your case, but someone always going to say something along the line how Crimea become what it is today.

The game is one part detective investigations, one part self-rediscovery and one part major sillyness.

My advice: just stop pandering on the politics if you don't want to think about it, but you can't stop NPC talking about it because it's part of their daily lives.

[RACHMANOVSKI]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από psychotron666420:

The game was made by legit communists, but that being said (as someone who's pretty much as staunch anti communist you can get), I find it's one of the most balanced games when it comes to politics.

True.

I mean I'm game with Socialist ideas, labor union, better work conditions for the workers. But the full-on communist idea presented in the game kinda hard to aligned myself with, so I always ended up somewhat a centrist detective and caring more about getting them FALN drips.

It does not require that much brain power to see that this game, while it is heavy on political nuance, and in fact written by a Socialist writer (not Communist, last I checked her IG bio says she is a socialist)---may deter people from being to far-right or far-left.

[Raz]

The trouble with the game is that the main protagonist is 'supposed' to suffer and get crapped on, no matter what you do.
No matter what choices you make, no matter how hard you try to steer him back on the path of a normal human being, its just not the story this game wants to tell, and it violently, almost obnoxiously reminds you of that at every stop.

I feel like i'm in the same boat though. I absolutely love the gameplay and art direction, and some of the writing is very clever and wonderful to read, and this is very much 'my' kinda game, but.. good lord. It feels like you're being punished and shouted down at every turn.

The politics feel pretty hamfisted, where you're either completely in column A or B, with no room for middleground or any realistic grey area that the normal world resides in. Instead its either left or right, a or b, red or blue, capitalist or communist, with absolutely no room for nuance or discussion. The game even going out of its way to tell you how awful of a person you are for even thinking about daring to be a centrist or not wanting to fully commit to one tribe or the other.
Its like if Twitter made a videogame.

...all that aside, I really wanna keep playing, just to see how things pan out. My curiosity generally wins out over how annoyed I get.

[forester]

> Can I play through this game and avoid the constant haze of modern day politics?
the game just trolls different political views and its not like its trying to push some kind of agenda on you though. sure it might feel "painful" to read jokes/sarcasm about your favorite political wing but you know... it kind of adds additional emotional/lore layer which is nice.
in a sense the game resonates with internal unresolved emotional problems hehe.

[psychotron666420]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RACHMANOVSKI:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από psychotron666420:

The game was made by legit communists, but that being said (as someone who's pretty much as staunch anti communist you can get), I find it's one of the most balanced games when it comes to politics.

True.

I mean I'm game with Socialist ideas, labor union, better work conditions for the workers. But the full-on communist idea presented in the game kinda hard to aligned myself with, so I always ended up somewhat a centrist detective and caring more about getting them FALN drips.

It does not require that much brain power to see that this game, while it is heavy on political nuance, and in fact written by a Socialist writer (not Communist, last I checked her IG bio says she is a socialist)---may deter people from being to far-right or far-left.

The devs had some post last year praising Karl Marx on his birthday, so yeah I'd say communist.

As Lenin himself said, "the goal of socialism is Communism."

It's just communism (real Communism as imagined by Karl Marx) is actually barely different than full on anarcho capitalism - both ideologies imagine no state period, and everyone just gets along and works together because it's in their best interest - and both ignore human nature and tribalism and that both will end up as a form of feudalism with some form of state in control. Perfect example of the horse shoe theory, two ideologies that are the complete opposite of the spectrum are both essentially the same thing.

[Engineer]

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