how do you make the game uncensored

[DOGGYSTYLER 🗕 🗗 🗙]

it's really annoying and immersion breaking not being able to hear the curse words naturally

[Du-Vu]

I mentioned it in my next post after the one you quoted, two posts down. I'm just passing along what I've heard from other people for a while now.

The item ID is "jacket_pissflaubert" (https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/Leather_Jacket_Pissf****t). And when you talk with Pissf****t in the Final Cut, one of his lines isn't buzzed out. He says it there, Pissflaubert.

Cuno does also say f*g at one point, and one time Glen (one of the Hardie Boys) says it and it's uncensored, so that does make me think it's less about whether or not it offends anybody and more about the drawing attention to the censorship itself, in a meta sense.

[Jonathan_S]

Originally posted by Roberto:

So all the other racist slurs in the game are fine but that one thing in particular is too much? That almost comes off as more offensive.

The other racist slurs don't exist in real life.

[Simon]

But are (queer) people actually offended by it? Did they do any research to find out? It's not like anything in the game is directed at the player. That's why I'm not the least bit offended and can't understand why anyone else would be.

[Jonathan_S]

"Are queer people really offended by homophobic slurs" isn't a question you're seriously asking.

[VIGIL]

Originally posted by Jonathan_S:

"Are queer people really offended by homophobic slurs" isn't a question you're seriously asking.

A slur only has power if you give it power. Offence is always taken, never given. If a person decides to be intentionally offensive it speaks more about them than it does about you. I can not for the life of me understand why anyone gets upset about words. It’s just air from miscreants acting in bad faith.

There’s a great deal of things in this world one can be upset with - the opinions of someone who maliciously slurs at others should be WAAAY at the bottom of the list, especially in a work of fiction. Cuno is a good example of this; Do you really take anything that kid says seriously?

[Driade]

Originally posted by Jonathan_S:

The other racist slurs don't exist in real life.

Yeah, this is the real reason. The theory about the 'flaubert' or censorship being some kind of an in-joke is nice, but it's just a theory. You can clearly hear the actual word they are saying in-game a couple times that accidentally got left uncensored, and it's exactly what you think it is.

Originally posted by Simon:

But are (queer) people actually offended by it? Did they do any research to find out?

Yes. I'd been following the development of this game since years before it came out, and shortly before the original release I remember explanations that it did not start off censored, but ended up as such due to feedback they received from testers pre-release. Don't know if it was screened to queer audience specifically or just a random selection of people, but there you go.

Originally posted by Arndell:

Originally posted by Jonathan_S:

"Are queer people really offended by homophobic slurs" isn't a question you're seriously asking.

I'm straight, the modern world is full of "heterophobia" and i'm not personally offended by any of it.
<...>
As i'm 98% sure that homosexuals are also human, I can guarantee that normal gay people don't give a damn about slurs and insults, just like straight people, it's just the SJW cultists who have a problem, gay or not.

Not comparable. It's the difference between punching up vs punching down. Sure, "gay people" is not some kind of monolith that will always have a unified opinion - no group is. But we live in a world where in some parts of it being gay is an actual life or death risk, still, and even in parts of the world that are less harsh in that regard, hearing a real-life slur can be triggering to people who had traumatic experiences around it. If 'censoring' it can make playing the game more palatable to them, it's just a respectful and considerate thing to do with no real trade-off to speak of.

You can wax philosophical all you want about whether words have power to offend if you don't give them that power etc., and it's a potentially valid theoretical argument, but the thing is, in real life having the power to decide whether to be offended by something is already a luxury, because if you belong to a group that's being regularly targeted based on who they are (whether it'd be orientation, race, nationality etc), usually words are not the final stop. Words are a red flag, a signifier of worse things to come that puts you on guard that you are now unsafe and targeted. They are too intertwined with traumatic experiences around them, and hardly something that most people seek to re-experience when playing a game. Bleeping them out (which is not even the same as actual 'censoring', seeing they are not actually removed from in-game universe) just helps to prevent that direct-trigger reaction. All it is, is the game extending the same basic empathy to a certain group of its players as it does to its in-game characters.

[Bastila Shan]

Only the homosexual slurs have been censored, I honestly don’t know why they even have them in there at all. Would have been better to have uncensored insults of a different nature.

[Necroscourge]

For me the weird thing is they cleary say f**geuri which is obviously Revacholian slang for that particular word and that's uncensored. But the straight word is censored in every form it appears.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Arndell:

If you actually did read any of it and understood the message, feel free to try and properly explain to me why it's ok to attack straight / white people without it being a racist / phobic act.

As an alpha male I'd simply brush off the anti-white, anti-straight slurs by refusing to give them power over me.

[Arndell]

Originally posted by Libertine:

Originally posted by Arndell:

If you actually did read any of it and understood the message, feel free to try and properly explain to me why it's ok to attack straight / white people without it being a racist / phobic act.

As an alpha male I'd simply brush off the anti-white, anti-straight slurs by refusing to give them power over me.

On small scale petty events that's correct of course, e.g- Online arguments or discussions in a pub.

The western world has gone rather insane these days however, in more extreme examples, situations where law enforcement is needed, it's extremely racist, against white people.

A random hypothetical situation but simple to understand, if i'm attacked on the street by black people, and I call the police, the police will arrest me and their questions will be maliciously worded to try and catch me out in some kind of racist loophole where I can be charged for a crime.

Plenty of horror stories of the same story structure with the difference between sexual assault male x female, it's treated extremely severely and the woman is always to be believed.

Male x male sexual assault however? get lauged at for being so sensitive and if you push it too far you get accused of homophobia, keep pushing, you get charged with a "hate crime".





TL:DR - Sure, being alpha about it is the right attitude, but this double standard of abuse now has the backing of the government, alpha attitude just makes government angry with you.

[MalachiConstant]

Solution to the Censorship: There is a thought that removes the censorship. You can guess which one even if you never found it just by reading the thoughts in Thought Cabinet (as they are all listed whether found or not) and making an educated guess.

So the censorship is part of the story, basically, and you have the power to learn and remove it.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Jonathan_S:

"Are queer people really offended by homophobic slurs" isn't a question you're seriously asking.

Perhaps you didn't read my earlier reply where I clearly meant and included the qualifier "In works of fiction*. I guess I assumed people had read and followed this entire thread, which isn't necessarily the case. It shouldn't be necessary to keep repeating yourself.

This is a work of fiction. The player is an observer and isn't controlling what those delinquent children are saying. It's not directed at anyone in real life but reflects reality. There's a very big difference. I can tell you something: denying reality is even more offensive. That's like denying that colonial powers committed genocide or that sexism and racism exist. Maybe it's those that prefer to think or pretend they don't exist that are the ones who prefer censorship. I think the ugliness that exists around us should be seen and heard as a means of exposing it. But I don't think I understand most people.

As I also said earlier (in case you didn't read it), censorship isn't at all effective as a means of combating intolerance, but only serves to disenfranchise those who are actually affected in my opinion. It gives the word and ideas more power by implying that they're dangerous and fearful! But this generally applies to works of fiction for an adult audience who should have the cognitive ability to make such distinctions. Perhaps I'm too generous in assuming that most adults do.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Jonathan_S:

Originally posted by Roberto:

So all the other racist slurs in the game are fine but that one thing in particular is too much? That almost comes off as more offensive.

The other racist slurs don't exist in real life.

I like how "offended" weaklings only notice things they can jerk off their self esteem. But ignore everything else around them. Whole game people are racist to Kim with real racist words but because he is asian no one cares. Only black people and gays are allowed to get offended in modern world, right?

[PSY]

I thought it was odd too, being gay myself I felt like they're holding my hand like a traumatized child who can't handle no no words in a SEVERELY adult themed game that deals with all kinds of heavy, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, sad, mean, dark, and depressing themes.

There simply should have just been a option at the start of the game to censor it for you if you choose it. I never asked to be 'protected' by the censors.

[Arndell]

Originally posted by PSY:

I thought it was odd too, being gay myself I felt like they're holding my hand like a traumatized child who can't handle no no words in a SEVERELY adult themed game that deals with all kinds of heavy, ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, sad, mean, dark, and depressing themes.

There simply should have just been a option at the start of the game to censor it for you if you choose it. I never asked to be 'protected' by the censors.

If it's to be believed at face value, that censorship on a very specific topic is intentionally part of the game and you can turn it off if you get the right thought unlocked.

I dunno what that thought is, maybe the "Homosexual Underground" one?

I can't find anything that tells me what thought, but reddit and steam replies both say it can be turned off in game with the right thought unlocked.