[spoilers] How do I ask Joyce about reality after lena leaves

[David Davidson]

So I never told lena about my amnesia, is there any way to find out about "the pale" with Joyce now or am I forever screwed?
Edit: this is due to "pale unknown" at the church, but I can't even ask about the pale now. So should I revert to a save 3 and a half hours ago or just savescum the 3% roll 100 or so times, or is there another way to speak to Joyce??

[Burdpal]

Yeah, Lena's conversation is the initial trigger for the pale. Sorry, you missed it.

[David Davidson]

Originally posted by Burd!:

Yeah, Lena's conversation is the initial trigger for the pale. Sorry, you missed it.

Guess I'll be at the church for the next hour or so reloading until I get that 3% roll.
Honestly I don't see why telling a crazy lady I lost my memory should play such a big part in the game. Its not exactly good game design.

Well at least I had high logic and a few clothes items that modified logic but something that affects things with a - 10 debuff should definitely be able to be revisited. especially as Lena gives you her address and contact details if you ask for them before she leaves. It kind of feels like something was left out.

Edit: I just watched a narrated playthrough covering the pale and seriously the only way I could find this out is to talk to Lena and tell her I remember nothing?! Really??!! I get the Jamais Vu thought but the fact that I can't ask about the pale at all there has to be another way to get to that option. I mean "the pale" is basically a description of the world you live on and seriously important to the storyline of the game otherwise its extremely bad game design. To the mega

[hydrit]

Theres a bunch of quests and such that get nearly impossible or dont trigger if you miss something, follow certain dialogue paths. Cant experience it all in 1 run. In most cases its not even bad cause the failure state is still entertaining.

And the pale is a hugely important factor of the world, it opens new ways to understand the universe and is well known by its inhabitants. A force of nature kinda like vaccuum/void for example for us, and how often comes that up in regular conversation? Unless you say you dont know it or ask about it theres no reason to talk about it.

Edit: if you wanna yell bad game design at the devs go no further than finding a place to sleep. There are enough ways to get money for the whirling, but locking people into a failstate without even telling them is really bad.

[Vali]

Sorry for necroing this post, but i hste to create new ones. My wuestion is:

I have talked with Lena about my memory loss and I have talked with Joyce about everything. I even succeeded with the white check an I also talked about pale. Even in her new location. With or without Kim... everything. But quest is still not completed. Any ideas?