Man, i feel like the captain is quite weak

[Crash]

Do not look at this thread if you haven't got the captain and don't to be spoiled of his skills.

I really don't like the fact that the only alternative skils are the beacons he can drop with his ult, witch is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weak. Dude, you can only use it twice in the whole area, seriously? And it's even that amazing, the are the beacons cover are really small, it's actually bad to try and stay in the healing area if you play on moonsoon, too little space to maneuver, in other words DEATH.

His shift skill is ok, i can't really complain much about it, except for the fact he doesn't have any mobility, witch is also kinda ok, we are used to engineer.

But the worse for me is the fact he can't even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ use his shift and his ult in places like the gideon coast and the artifact "boss". I don't know if that was a bug or really intended since lore wise these places are other realms witch his ship might not have contact with to send beacons and mortars. But seriously? Half his kit just gone like that? His biggest damage dealing ability locked on a fight agains aureolite? I really hope that's another bug, because if it isn't than i believe the void realm will have the same problem (i haven't went there with him yet).

His M2 seems quite lackluster, unless i'm using it wrong, i don't know.

And his M1 is quite good, especially against flying units, cause you can charge it and send flying units flying against the wall and deal a nasty chunk of damage. On ground units at least you can get close and spam it, it deals also quite some nice damage.

I also don't quite understand yet what his passive do, and how it works. So far i only noticed he has a little bot floating close to him and shoots people. Shots that don't really do much damage (at not that i noticed). Ok he can give it to turrets and other bots, but man, that didn't really help much.

But i really feel like he should have some actual alternatives on his skill that are not just beacons.

[Rat Bastard]

The drone shoots and destroys projectiles.
And for some reason they can destroy bettle guards shockwave attack.

[Mathryu]

They removed all the "under development" skills so I'm assuming they have more abilities planned but aren't showing them since going into full release.
The lack of movement abilities is hard to deal with but I think his damage makes up for it, the M2 is pretty lame though from what I've played.

[clay gamer]

I think he's one of the coolest and most fun characters, but he is overall pretty weak. I also feel that at about 20m, even if you fully charge his m1, he doesn't do full damage (or maybe some of the pellets just dont properly arrive at that distance)

[Qtael]

To be honest he is very strong

[Ittrix]

The passive is an anti-projectile machine. Lemurian shoots a fireball at you? it shoots the fireball and it's gone. At a glance, underwhelming, but it ain't.
Wandering vagrant uses it's charged tracking shot? Nope, deleted. Wandering Vagrant shoots a bunch of explosive bolts? Nope. Denied. It can even take out malachite spikes.
It also gives this to every drone you purchase, giving them some amazing defense (they're flying and most projectiles will now be deleted when aimed at them), or they can do it for you.
So most projectiles simply won't be able to hit you for a loop. Very helpful.

His passive and R are very powerful. Yes, they get bad when you're a loop or two in, but if they can carry you to that point (which shutting down up to even boss projectiles and 10% healing a second/free interactables of any kind most certainly can), then you should have enough items to make do with your equipment, M1, and shift.
Imo, his hacking r is the best. It lowers the price of all interactable items to zero after a short period that are within range. You can unlock legendary chests, the golden realms, or make all versions of a shrine of chance free. Amazing for early and mid-game.

He has some downfalls, but he's amazing for early and midgame and late game doesn't really matter. Just uh... don't go to a hidden realm before you're snowballing like I did.

[Femboy Thighs]

He definitely seems like more a team player, especially with the whole "supply pod" mechanic. He's also incredibly good with drones, since his unique rare item is given to drones as well. He has low DPS but it kinda makes sense for a "Captain" type character. Feels like he shines the most when on a team of other competent players, with a bunch of drones, taking out key targets and aiding his team with supply drops.

[Crash]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

He has some downfalls, but he's amazing for early and midgame and late game doesn't really matter. Just uh... don't go to a hidden realm before you're snowballing like I did.

So it's isn't a bug, the fact he can't use half his kit in a hidden realm is by design. Yeeeeah... not sure if i like that.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Crash:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

He has some downfalls, but he's amazing for early and midgame and late game doesn't really matter. Just uh... don't go to a hidden realm before you're snowballing like I did.

So it's isn't a bug, the fact he can't use half his kit in a hidden realm is by design. Yeeeeah... not sure if i like that.

lore wise, he's getting his ship to send down the orbital bombardment and resource packs. I guess the idea is that the ship can't track where the hidden realms are, so it simply can't send down the bombs or resources.
That said, it's a huge part of his kit and his shift is where half of his damage comes from. It definitely bugs me that it gets removed for 'make sense' reasons.

Aside from that though, he's plenty capable. Some of his alternate skills are really good too.

[Lunacy]

Captain is pretty strong but his R is lackluster, and the fact you can't use shift or R in void zones.
Certain proc items like ukulele are incredibly strong on him.

[Kavrick]

It's not even whether or not he's strong, he's such creatively lackluster and boring to play, lets go through his abilities shall we?

Shotgun - pretty cool attack but suffers from charged attacks feeling awful as a primary attack due to the attack speed meta
Taser - Easily one of the most boring skills in the entire game, he had this whole theme with the robot arm and the drones and this is the best they could come up with?
Orbital Probe - Copy and pasted from the plant robot, nuff said
Orbital Supply Beacon - Why would anyone think single use abilities would be good in this kind of game? Also they're just worse than the engineer's turrets in every single way possible, not to mention that this is the only ability with alternative versions, and they're all very lack luster
Passive Drone - Again probably the most boring passive in the entire game, i never even noticed it doing anything, not to mention you can infinitely scrap it for red scrap, does hopo even test their own game?

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Lunacy:

Captain is pretty strong but his R is lackluster

His R is amazing for early to midgame.
A 10% heal a second, especially on the higher difficulties where you have basically no HP regen, is amazing to consistently have.
He's also got a hacking tool in his alternate kit that can make any interactable free. Legendary chest? Free. Powerful drone? Free. Expensive hidden realm shrine that you'll regret going into? Free.

Originally posted by Kavrick:

Passive Drone - Again probably the most boring passive in the entire game, i never even noticed it doing anything, not to mention you can infinitely scrap it for red scrap, does hopo even test their own game?

You didn't notice wandering vagrants not being able to get a shot off? Boring I agree, but stronk af. They literally won't be able to attack aside from their big charge up explosion even without any drones.

[Kavrick]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

His R is amazing for early to midgame.
A 10% heal a second, especially on the higher difficulties where you have basically no HP regen, is amazing to consistently have.
He's also got a hacking tool in his alternate kit that can make any interactable free. Legendary chest? Free. Powerful drone? Free. Expensive hidden realm shrine that you'll regret going into? Free.

If you have problem with healing in this game maybe you're buying the wrong items from shops and 3d printers, other classes have better built-in healing that aren't limited to two uses a stage.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Kavrick:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

His R is amazing for early to midgame.
A 10% heal a second, especially on the higher difficulties where you have basically no HP regen, is amazing to consistently have.
He's also got a hacking tool in his alternate kit that can make any interactable free. Legendary chest? Free. Powerful drone? Free. Expensive hidden realm shrine that you'll regret going into? Free.

If you have problem with healing in this game maybe you're buying the wrong items from shops and 3d printers, other classes have better built-in healing that aren't limited to two uses a stage.

Other classes being exclusively Rex who is the only character with self heals at all? And Captain can heal anyone.
I spend less than five minutes per stage, and usually stay in one spot otherwise. It's a pretty braindead decision to drop the healing beacon at the teleporter event, where it's very helpful. 'One time' uses aren't really all that bad when you're moving through stages quickly and know where you'll usually wind up spending most of your time.
I don't have issues with incoming healing (I've been clearing Monsoon for a long time and have argued that healing items need to be nerfed in monsoon for awhile), but if you were to tell me I had an option between not being healed and having 10% healing a second, I think it's obvious which I'd choose. That's stronger than most healing items until they get two or three stacks.
And, to reiterate since you didn't mention it, getting a free interactable (more if they happen to be grouped up) once a stage of any kind is a helluva snowball.

[ReignyDays]

He's fine but his R is pathetic past early game. It just turns into an ability you forget about for most of the run. Not good design if you ask me.

[Kavrick]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by Kavrick:

If you have problem with healing in this game maybe you're buying the wrong items from shops and 3d printers, other classes have better built-in healing that aren't limited to two uses a stage.

Other classes being exclusively Rex who is the only character with self heals at all? And Captain can heal anyone.
I spend less than five minutes per stage, and usually stay in one spot otherwise. It's a pretty braindead decision to drop the healing beacon at the teleporter event, where it's very helpful. 'One time' uses aren't really all that bad when you're moving through stages quickly and know where you'll usually wind up spending most of your time.
I don't have issues with incoming healing (I've been clearing Monsoon for a long time and have argued that healing items need to be nerfed in monsoon for awhile), but if you were to tell me I had an option between not being healed and having 10% healing a second, I think it's obvious which I'd choose. That's stronger than most healing items until they get two or three stacks.
And, to reiterate since you didn't mention it, getting a free interactable (more if they happen to be grouped up) once a stage of any kind is a helluva snowball.

"It's a pretty braindead decision to drop the healing beacon at the teleporter event,"
Isn't that kinda proof that it's a poorly designed skill if it's basically "i have healing at teleporter".