Best Item

[Cacomistle]

I was actually gonna make a thread asking what people's opinion on the best item with respect to tier (as obviously a red item will be better than a white). But the item I think is best I think actually breaks the game. That item would be ukelele.

Ukelele is imo the best item because it can proc. You have a 25 percent chance of proccing ukelele, and it can hit 3 enemies. Early game, these ukelele procs do 80% damage, so without any on hit items you're basically dealiing on average 60 percent bonus damage on
every attack if you're hitting 3 enemies, before we account for the fact that ukelele can proc itself (which its got a (1-(3/4)^3) or 57% chance of proccing itself at least once, and I'm not gonna bother doing the math of proccing itself several times).

Late game, all your damage comes from procs. Basically 100 percent of the damage of an attack will come from procs, so just by hitting 3 other enemies 25 percent of the time you're getting a 75 percent damage increase, before we account for its ability to proc itself. A single ukelele can add amount to over a 75 percent increase in damage from on hit.

Now these numbers are a bit more broken than the item actually is, because I'm assuming that there are 3 enemies in range. But I haven't even done the math for the most broken part of the item, the fact that it can proc itself. If you pick up 2 ukeleles, it spreads to 5 enemies. If you hit an enemy with 5 enemies nearby (and since the radius increases with each ukelele you pick up this isn't too hard to do), its very likely to proc itself (actually a 77% chance it will proc itself at least once). Which basically means its just gonna like quintuple your damage output until an enemy nearby dies, and after enough ukeleles it will proc actually constantly on large enough groups.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the item does. I'm pretty sure it procs itself and people have said it does, but maybe that chance is lower. But this seems completely broken to me. And when I pick the item up, it feels that way. I pick up 1 ukelele on commando and suddenly all the enemies around the boss are dying and I'm killing him twice as fast. By 2 ukeleles the game is basically broken.

I at the very least think it should not be able to proc itself, as even without the ability to cause procs at all it would already be an ok item. Causing procs other than itself seems good enough to me to already put it on the top tier of greens, but being able to chain proc almost infinitely to kill everything in range just seems like a step too far. If it works like I understand it to, the only thing that prevents it from wiping the entire map on 1 proc is that all the small enemies die and it has nothing to chain off of.

So I'm curious, what do other people think the best item in the game is. Do other people think ukelele is too strong? Do other people think it needs a nerf?

Edit: Multiple people seem to be claiming ukelele can't proc itself. I think that would take it out of the top spot. I think best overall after that is hard to say, but I'd go with clover myself. Hard to give a good reason, I just feel really powerful every time I get it. Other possible answer is sticky bomb cause it definitely breaks the game if you get enough. What do other people think?

[Fetrem]

Best item is, and will always be, fireworks.

Loot, pew pew, things die, loot again. If that isn't good enough for you, too bad!

[Thqwib]

Stickybomb. It stacks it's own damage AND proc chance. Find a 3D printer and you win.

[Sotanaht]

I don't think Ukulele can proc itself. However, it can proc other items, and then those other items can probably proc ukuleles. It's a VERY useful item especially for spreading around other more-damaging procs.

The scaling on multiple ukuleles however is kind of bad. Each stack increases the range and max number of targets, but does nothing to improve the damage or proc chance, therefor ukuleles alone never really account for much of your damage especially later on, but they are still invaluable to have.

The best individual items if you can only have 1 are the Clover and Brilliant Behemoth. Clover massively increases your proc chance on all of the really high damage items like ATG missiles and the two rings, Behemoth just instantly increases your damage by 60% and might double your proc rate too, but stacks do basically nothing.

Best item if you can only have 1 item type is the Sticky Bomb. A stack of 40 stickybombs with no other items will annihilate everything to the end of the second loop. Other items like the Ukulele help to spread more stickybombs.

Ultimately in a very long game most of your damage will come from Runald's and Kjaro's band and the ATG Missile launcher, as those items do damage immediately and often kill targets before the sticky bombs have a chance to explode.

[Necko]

Goat Hoof.

I mostly play commando. Having been to stage 7ish without a single goat hoof multiple times, the game just becomes impossible. Everything else might as well be useless. It's a struggle and your fingers start to hurt. Pushing buttons really really hard does not make you move faster, and is no substitute for a goat hoof.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Robert Cop:

Stickybomb. It stacks it's own damage AND proc chance. Find a 3D printer and you win.

You need like 20+ for them to actually be broken, and at that point you're probably losing mobility or healing or teddie bears or something else. Its only overpowered if you get a printer. Whereas a single ukelele is already multiplying your damage, and will multiply the damage of those sticky bombs.

So I don't think sticky bomb is the best item, but it is arguably the one that can break the game the most in rare scenarios.

[Creamy]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

I don't think Ukulele can proc itself. However, it can proc other items, and then those other items can probably proc ukuleles. It's a VERY useful item especially for spreading around other more-damaging procs.

The scaling on multiple ukuleles however is kind of bad. Each stack increases the range and max number of targets, but does nothing to improve the damage or proc chance, therefor ukuleles alone never really account for much of your damage especially later on, but they are still invaluable to have.

The best individual items if you can only have 1 are the Clover and Brilliant Behemoth. Clover massively increases your proc chance on all of the really high damage items like ATG missiles and the two rings, Behemoth just instantly increases your damage by 60% and might double your proc rate too, but stacks do basically nothing.

Best item if you can only have 1 item type is the Sticky Bomb. A stack of 40 stickybombs with no other items will annihilate everything to the end of the second loop. Other items like the Ukulele help to spread more stickybombs.

Ultimately in a very long game most of your damage will come from Runald's and Kjaro's band and the ATG Missile launcher, as those items do damage immediately and often kill targets before the sticky bombs have a chance to explode.

What he said.
I'll add in Will-o-wisp however. The chain reactions that thing creates can wipe maps, and it scales in damage.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

I don't think Ukulele can proc itself. However, it can proc other items, and then those other items can probably proc ukuleles. It's a VERY useful item especially for spreading around other more-damaging procs.

The scaling on multiple ukuleles however is kind of bad. Each stack increases the range and max number of targets, but does nothing to improve the damage or proc chance, therefor ukuleles alone never really account for much of your damage especially later on, but they are still invaluable to have.

The best individual items if you can only have 1 are the Clover and Brilliant Behemoth. Clover massively increases your proc chance on all of the really high damage items like ATG missiles and the two rings, Behemoth just instantly increases your damage by 60% and might double your proc rate too, but stacks do basically nothing.

Best item if you can only have 1 item type is the Sticky Bomb. A stack of 40 stickybombs with no other items will annihilate everything to the end of the second loop. Other items like the Ukulele help to spread more stickybombs.

Ultimately in a very long game most of your damage will come from Runald's and Kjaro's band and the ATG Missile launcher, as those items do damage immediately and often kill targets before the sticky bombs have a chance to explode.

The scaling depends. If you are in fact correct and it cannot proc itself, the scaling is meh. If it can proc itself, the scaling is ridiculous.

The rest of the post I agree with, other than in a long run you're probably getting ukeleles and stuff like ceremonial dagger which can cause procs. So you'll probably hit a lot of enemies only 1-2 times. And all the low health enemies kind of just die to gasoline and will o wisp in my experience. So most of the enemies I attack have enough hp that I will damage them with sticky bombs, simply because I always shoot high hp enemies first since they're easier to hit and the low hp enemies tend to end up dying anyways.

So assuming ukelele can't proc itself, I think its still really good but probably not the best. Which one of these you think it would be then?

[Creamy]

I don't think you can really name one singular best item. It depends on situation and the rest of your kit.
Then there are also niche items like N'kuhanas opinion which sucks in most cases, except on an engi with a bunch of bustling fungus in which case it's probably the most broken thing in the game.

[Thqwib]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Best item if you can only have 1 item type is the Sticky Bomb. A stack of 40 stickybombs with no other items will annihilate everything to the end of the second loop. Other items like the Ukulele help to spread more stickybombs.

This exactly. Screw everything else, give me the lollipops. Don't need mobility when the enemy dies before they even notice me.

Real talk, I almost always trade everything the moment I find a sticky printer, and it always works in my favor. Sticks are so good, please don't nerf.

[Lunacy]

An early tesla coil gets any run off to a great start.

[awanderingswordsman]

Goat hoof>sticky bomb>solider's syringe.

That's all you need.

For greens, I don't know. Uke is solid but stacking it very high isn't that great. Maybe predatory instincts.

For reds, I don't know. A lot are pretty great. I'm a fan of the ceremonial knives. With enough on hit you basically kill one enemy and then afk while the knives kill everything else. Behemoth is also godlike but stacking it is kinda pointless.

Gesture of the drowned is IMO the best blue item, especially if you get more than 2.

For equipment I think primordial cube is best overall.

[Acanthus]

Whites:
Tougher Times
Sticky Bomb

Greens:
Berserker's Pauldron
Ukulele
Both Bands
Will-O-the-Wisp

Legendaries:
57 Leaf Clover
Tesla Coil
Ceremonial Daggers

Lunar:
Gesture of the Drowned (most overpowered item in the game with multiple stacks)
Shaped Glass

Equipment is more situational based on your build.

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by Arte:

What he said.
I'll add in Will-o-wisp however. The chain reactions that thing creates can wipe maps, and it scales in damage.

The problem with will-o-the-wisp is that it falls of DRAMATICALLY when you reach the point where mostly/only bosses spawn. You are no longer able to get chain-reactions from killing the weaker enemies, and killing the bosses themselves to even trigger a single explosion isn't helped by the item.

Wisps are GREAT if you can get a good stack of them early. If you can convince a team to let one person take all the items of a single type you might get away with it by stacking 12 wisps from a double-Mountain boss in 4 player. Add a few more as they are found and you basically clear the map for everyone else to make their builds.

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

And all the low health enemies kind of just die to gasoline and will o wisp in my experience.

Gasoline is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful. When you look at the item description it sounds amazing, +4m and +75% damage per stack, so a stack of 20 gas cans should be doing 1575% damage in an 88 meter radius. The problem is that each DOT does fixed damage-per-tick. It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 1000 Gasoline, you still only do around 10 damage per second. Instead, each Gasoline item extends the DURATION of the DOT, so you can burn an enemy for half an hour but still never kill it.

Multiple applications of burning stack to increase the damage, so killing a large number of trash enemies can apply a decent amount to the tougher/boss enemies, but you have to kill a LOT of lemurians and wisps to do anything really significant.

[Neon Black Interactive]

Imo the most gamebreaking item is the first ceremonial dagger. It has incredible base damage AND it procs on hit effects, meaning that in the early game it does tons of damage by itself, and in the late game it does stupid amounts of damage by triggering on hit effects. There is no item I'd rather have unless I already have one.

[Mr Windblade]

The best Orange item in the game is Royal Capacitor. It's a low cooldown equipment with line of sight range, generates procs like the Ukulele, and a fuel cell makes it a boss killer.

I had 4 Ukuleles and a Royal shot would cause procs of 7k damage, obliterating an entire wave of enemies.

Nothing else even comes close in terms of pure damage.