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Even if there are mechanics of DMC2's gameplay that can make it more enjoyable for people, the game does not tell the player what those mechanics are, or is designed in a way to encourage discovering those mechanics naturally.
Just the simple act of trying to maintain a S rank during combat, can make DMC2's gameplay more interesting, but the only way of stalling the Style Degradation when enemies are out of reach is by constantly dodging, something no player is going to naturally do.
The Infested Helicopter is a boss you are intended to beat by hitting it's weak point when flying in DT, and if you shoot it's homing missiles then that will refill you DT gauge fast, but nobody is going to figure that out if standing in place shooting and occasionally dodging will kill the boss 100% of the time with Minimal effort.
The player has to go out of their way to make DMC2 more Engaging to play, were every other game in the series is simply fun to play just from playing it however you want.
The only way to praise DMC2 is to make Numerous excuses as to why nobody can find the praise worthy aspects.
The majority of good ideas that resulted from DMC2 development were brought forward and refined in DMC3 anyway, so DMC2 at least Deserves credit as an important stepping stone that lead to better things.
I've seen people say dumb things like "this game has no story." Demonstrably untrue things like "difficulty doesn't change enemy attacks," and "at least there's no underwater section."
Worst of all, I've even watched people sit back and spam guns on enemies and bosses that you CAN and SHOULD melee, just because they want you to think "see this game is just spamming guns and spamming guns is boring."
The "story" in Dante's part is paper thin, there is hardly any dialog, or much anything to work with aside from shots making Dante look cool.
I'd rate DMC2 around the 5/10 mark, because the game is entirely functional. I'll admit people can very much exaggerate how "awful" it is, when really it's Mediocre for the time it was released. But when you slap DMC2 in between the other DMC games which are fantastic it makes DMC2 look that much worse. there are people who think a game as amazing as DMC1 is "dated and clunky" so then of course people are going to act even worse when it comes to DMC2.
I'll still say people have the Opinions they do for a reason, even if they don't express those opinions particularly well. If DMC2 was actually good, then there would be more people saying it's good. Even as someone who can enjoy the game, I can't in good faith call it good or great when it has such glaring flaws.
DMC1 was good for its time, despite its MANY issues and general jankiness of the game. Its forgiven because it was a pioneer of a yet-to-be genre and mistakes are expected.
DMC2 improved upon the first game with better controls, better camera, better group combat overall, and a health bar that didn't feel like tissue paper from the outset, not to mention many more interesting things to fight. In spite of the numerous improvements its mostly given crap by people expecting it to be a carbon copy of the first game and thus are blind to these facts. A phenomenon not exclusive to this series either (see Dark Souls).
DMC3 is the one that modernized the formula by allowing much faster and more reactive combat that is more akin to modern hack-n-slash/beat-em-up games we know today (and generally had more charm than the other games if you ask me). It was also actively taking the piss out of Dante, which is a plus if you ask me.
So. DMC 2 is not bad in my opinion
Devil May Cry 2 isn’t a bad game, but it is just very, VERY flawed. It’s got a lot that I personally like from it; the atmosphere, it’s visuals, soundtrack etc. But it falls flat from the first game and lacks a lot of what the first game has , there’s no upgrades, hardly any puzzles, and the story is barely even told, along with laughably bad enemy AI. And Dante’s dialogue was weirdly cut. (I’ve seen the script for this game and can confirm he was supposed to talk way more). And most importantly there’s no real challenge or accomplishments. You just spam X/Square until the enemy dies from being juggled mid air.
You really have to go out of your way to make the game enjoyable and make it fun instead of it being fun. The game is also way too easy and super repetitive. A lot of it has to do with this game having a ton of cut content, like the city environment being originally way bigger and the cut motorcycle stages.
I like this game but I won’t lie it needs a lot of fixing to be good. This game was a huge stepping stone for later DMC games, moves like rainstorm and twosome time were made into the gunslinger style and the wall kick was made into trickster. And introducing bloody palace mode. This game is cool and has its moments but not the best DMC game.
I’d say play it go get an idea of it, at least finish it once on Dante’s disk, as Lucia’s disk is rushed and half-ass. DMC2 doesn’t effect the other games in the series since it’s just another Tuesday for Dante so it’s skippable.
Yeah those people aren’t wrong. DMC2 has little to no story and it’s hardly ever explained. And the difficulty doesn’t change the enemies attacks
Yes it does, you can see as soon as the first fight. On DMD/LMD the enemies have a very obvious spinning attack they never do on Normal.
Yes, it's bad. In fact, it's horrible and it has nothing to do with the things you mentioned.
People hate on Nickelback for the same reason people hate on Coldplay or Imagine Dragons, their music sucks so much. It's a bunch of slop for people who don't actually enjoy music, but pretend they do because the radio serves them background music.
When comparing Dark Souls 2 to DeS and DaS, it's easy to see why people don't like it. It's too different compared to the first game, and the level design really took a big hit compared to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. I would argue that level design is the reason why Dark Souls 2 suffers so much in comparison to the first game, or the structured levels from Demon's Souls. But otherwise, Dark Souls 2 is a good game.
Hawaii Pizza is actually good. That's just a meme and nothing else. It either comes from people who are purists or people who never ate it.
You CAN melee, but you SHOULDN'T melee. There is zero reason to do so. Melee combat in DMC2 is weak, combos don't connect half the time due to hit-range problems.
Using Guns is far more viable than using Melee in 90% cases.
If guns weren't so OP, people wouldn't use them. The whole game can be beaten far easier with just holding Triangle or X.
The game is boring and tedious. Level design and bosses suck. Compare that to the amazing level design seen in Devil May Cry 1.
Lucia is also better/more interesting to play than Dante. But once you are done with Dante, i doubt anyone would boot Lucia and go through the game again.
And it isn't just the fans either. DMC2 was blasted by both sides, fans and critics alike. Unlike Dark Souls 2 which you mentioned, where there was a huge playerbase that loved that game and critics loved the hell out of it giving it 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10.
DMC2 aged horribly, unlike DMC1 and DMC3 that are still joy to play to this day.