[Refunded] this is a tech demo not a game convince me I'm wrong

[Silvyy]

I really wanted to like this game, it was one of the games I specifically bought a headset to play but, as the title says I fafed around in it for an hour and realized there was no actual game feels like a proof of concept, where is the game? did I somehow miss it or is it really just a sand box with like 4 small maps and some randomized dungeon with no progression and fighting the same 5 dudes maybe this passed a few years ago but now even skyrim vr with a few mods has identical combat how can they be charging 20$ for a tech demo when there are actual games on market that have implemented this type of combat for the same price.

[lathrix army]

the game is currently going through a U11 beta so if you felt like it was empty its because their arent any updates to U10 right now and thats where everything new is at

[Shy]

it's an early access game that currently has the best physics based sword fighting kill murder gameplay money can buy.

And it's got thousands of mods.

And it's got a fabulous community and developer.

If the base concept isn't enough fun for you to think of it as such then ok bro wait til it's finished lmao. We'll still be here.

[vukotlak]

Even with the "little" content there is B&S is the VR game i spent most time with.
A sandbox can be fun you know ^^.

Also it is early acces. And it seems you do not actualy understand the concept of early access. No offense.

[Cheet4h]

I'd recommend taking a look at the Roadmap.
The first progression-based mode will launch with U12, slated for Q4 2022. If you played the beta, there's also a notice for this in the main menu.

That said, even the sandbox mode is really fun.

Originally posted by Silvyy:

[...] when there are actual games on market that have implemented this type of combat for the same price.

Mind linking a few? As far as I know no other game has the kind of intricate physics-based combat of B&S in a fantasy setting.

[0-0-Bram]

Bro this is my favorite VR game. You can mod in jedi outcast maps and lightsabers! But, vanilla is still a solid experience. You are right to expect more; it's early access. And more is not guaranteed, but sleeping on this game is a mistake.

[worm_master]

It's been EARLY access for 4 years....... Read into that what you will, people keep mentioning Modders... what they dont mention is the modders are fixing the 10001 "bugs" in the base code... They are patching and fixing issues, that really really shouldent be issues..... I got this game all excited, an...well i cant get a refund, and I feel so RIPPED... There is a alternative, it's not exactly set in a fantasy setting, but there is a fantasy sandbox. A COMPLETE VR game that actually works..... Granted it has some issues, but they are very few an far between. It's a Physics based idea, you have "guns" etc, but the whole idea is "physics"....It's called Boneworks....and it works!!!

[Cheet4h]

Originally posted by worm_master:

It's been EARLY access for 4 years....... Read into that what you will

Factorio was in Early Access for four years before its release. RimWorld similarly, but five years. Good games take time, and this game is one-of-a-kind on a new medium. Of course it can take a long time!
Nevertheless, if you aren't happy with the current state, don't buy it of course. But development time alone is not a good metric to judge a game. The roadmap and adherence to it (and the reasons if it is strayed from) would be much better here.

Originally posted by worm_master:

people keep mentioning Modders... what they dont mention is the modders are fixing the 10001 "bugs" in the base code... They are patching and fixing issues, that really really shouldent be issues.....

I mainly play vanilla and haven't encountered anything gamebreaking yet. What kind of issues are you talking about?

Originally posted by worm_master:

I got this game all excited, an...well i cant get a refund, and I feel so RIPPED... There is a alternative, it's not exactly set in a fantasy setting, but there is a fantasy sandbox. A COMPLETE VR game that actually works..... Granted it has some issues, but they are very few an far between. It's a Physics based idea, you have "guns" etc, but the whole idea is "physics"....It's called Boneworks....and it works!!!

I haven't yet played boneworks but from your words alone it doesn't have a fantasy-themed mode that is not a sandbox - so not relevant to this discussion?

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by worm_master:

It's been EARLY access for 4 years....... Read into that what you will, people keep mentioning Modders... what they dont mention is the modders are fixing the 10001 "bugs" in the base code... They are patching and fixing issues, that really really shouldent be issues..... I got this game all excited, an...well i cant get a refund, and I feel so RIPPED... There is a alternative, it's not exactly set in a fantasy setting, but there is a fantasy sandbox. A COMPLETE VR game that actually works..... Granted it has some issues, but they are very few an far between. It's a Physics based idea, you have "guns" etc, but the whole idea is "physics"....It's called Boneworks....and it works!!!

How long a game stays in early acces is actualy non of your business except the Devs made "promises". The money you spent on E/A games is for support. You did not bought a product you invested in an idea.

Yes modders do fix stuff. But they do not have to think about active development and next steps on the road etc. The developer has to value "bugfixing" over "development" or vice versa. Some bugs are important to fix and others not. If a system is buggy and you know that system will not be in the final product anyway it's pointless to fix a problem.

Game development is one hell of a undertaking. It's super complex. Even big companies are unable to predict exact release dates cause of it.

I know i want a game like B&S. And even though i know the game is far from being perfect it is the best "candidate" and i already enjoy the flawed game so i can not wait for it to shine in full glory.

I am still amazed how people buy a "E/A" game and then get upset about it when it has flaws and is unfinished.

[Cheet4h]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

How long a game stays in early acces is actualy non of your business except the Devs made "promises". The money you spent on E/A games is for support. You did not bought a product you invested in an idea.

That mindset is exactly the opposite of how I see Early Access: I bought a product, the game how it was at the date I bought it. Anything extra is a bonus, but I don't expect the game to change at all.
That's the only way to buy Early Access games and not get disappointed at some point. Probably not this game, but at some point you're going to buy an Early Access game and suddenly the dev has to stop development and you're left with an unfinished game.
Be sure you like the game at the time you bought it and you're probably not going to get disappointed at all.

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by Cheet4h:

Originally posted by vukotlak:

How long a game stays in early acces is actualy non of your business except the Devs made "promises". The money you spent on E/A games is for support. You did not bought a product you invested in an idea.

That mindset is exactly the opposite of how I see Early Access: I bought a product, the game how it was at the date I bought it. Anything extra is a bonus, but I don't expect the game to change at all.
That's the only way to buy Early Access games and not get disappointed at some point. Probably not this game, but at some point you're going to buy an Early Access game and suddenly the dev has to stop development and you're left with an unfinished game.
Be sure you like the game at the time you bought it and you're probably not going to get disappointed at all.

That is a terrible mindset. Every single game will change when you buy it in early acces. Only possible situation it wouldn't change is when the devs abandon it the day you bought it.

Honestly this is one of the "strangest" things i have ever ^^. Cause it makes absolut zero sense. Like non at all.

[MidKnightKoi]

This dude really compared Skyrim VR to Blade and Sorcery. Lmfao go back to Riverwood

[worm_master]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

Originally posted by worm_master:

It's been EARLY access for 4 years....... Read into that what you will, people keep mentioning Modders... what they dont mention is the modders are fixing the 10001 "bugs" in the base code... They are patching and fixing issues, that really really shouldent be issues..... I got this game all excited, an...well i cant get a refund, and I feel so RIPPED... There is a alternative, it's not exactly set in a fantasy setting, but there is a fantasy sandbox. A COMPLETE VR game that actually works..... Granted it has some issues, but they are very few an far between. It's a Physics based idea, you have "guns" etc, but the whole idea is "physics"....It's called Boneworks....and it works!!!

How long a game stays in early acces is actualy non of your business except the Devs made "promises". The money you spent on E/A games is for support. You did not bought a product you invested in an idea.

Yes modders do fix stuff. But they do not have to think about active development and next steps on the road etc. The developer has to value "bugfixing" over "development" or vice versa. Some bugs are important to fix and others not. If a system is buggy and you know that system will not be in the final product anyway it's pointless to fix a problem.

Game development is one hell of a undertaking. It's super complex. Even big companies are unable to predict exact release dates cause of it.

I know i want a game like B&S. And even though i know the game is far from being perfect it is the best "candidate" and i already enjoy the flawed game so i can not wait for it to shine in full glory.

There are other VR games out there that have been released complete, AND still get updates from the dev.

The major difference is manpower, simply put, Warpfrog doesn't have enough people to make it. That's why it's been stuck in early access for so long. It's why then need an army of modders to finish the work 200 other people should have done...

Both company's are "inde" yet 1 has more employees, resulting in a more finished product, this company has another VR game ready for release this year, I'm pretty sure it wont be early access

[vukotlak]

I bought boneworks too and i can only tell you that despite the higher production value i much rather play B&S. I actualy think that Boneworks is absolutly boring. The puzzle where more annoying then fun and the combat was boring too. The only thing amazing in boneworks is the reloading of weapons. Sadly there is nothing interesting to use them on.

[Naii Starwing]

Not sure how big Warpfrog is, but if they're a small indie studio like Mojang was starting out, the people there can only go so fast.

[Shy]

Originally posted by worm_master:

Originally posted by vukotlak:

How long a game stays in early acces is actualy non of your business except the Devs made "promises". The money you spent on E/A games is for support. You did not bought a product you invested in an idea.

Yes modders do fix stuff. But they do not have to think about active development and next steps on the road etc. The developer has to value "bugfixing" over "development" or vice versa. Some bugs are important to fix and others not. If a system is buggy and you know that system will not be in the final product anyway it's pointless to fix a problem.

Game development is one hell of a undertaking. It's super complex. Even big companies are unable to predict exact release dates cause of it.

I know i want a game like B&S. And even though i know the game is far from being perfect it is the best "candidate" and i already enjoy the flawed game so i can not wait for it to shine in full glory.

There are other VR games out there that have been released complete, AND still get updates from the dev.

The major difference is manpower, simply put, Warpfrog doesn't have enough people to make it. That's why it's been stuck in early access for so long. It's why then need an army of modders to finish the work 200 other people should have done...

Both company's are "inde" yet 1 has more employees, resulting in a more finished product, this company has another VR game ready for release this year, I'm pretty sure it wont be early access

Contrary to idiot belief, more devs does not = faster dev time, in fact it can hurt it especially if it's an indie studio who are unaccustomed to running or functioning as a large company.

Companies like EA and the like are optimised to pump out games at quite a rate of knots and it still takes them years. They know how to work as a large unit of multiple people all with different code and ideas and jobs and all the mistakes that comes with being human. Look how buggy EA games are for crying out loud.

Please wipe the clown make-up off your face and chill out. The game is still in development. It's still in early access. Crying about it like a child doesn't give you the finished, polished product you want.