So, game updates, removes content...

[Baldrickk]

https://i.imgur.com/2FC2PKw.png
Players react by posting negative reviews of the change.

This is a legitimate reaction to content being removed.

Steam: ignores reviews.

I am aware that review bombing for things other than the game is a thing that happens, and is a negative.

But if there's a big reaction to an update, shouldn't that be treated as legitimate?
If it coincides with an update, it should be assumed that the update is bad and not third party interference.

Game is SuperHot VR btw.

[Start_Running]

whAT CONTENT WAS REMOVED?

[Baldrickk]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

whAT CONTENT WAS REMOVED?

The update note is here:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/617830/announcements/detail/2992063678829322337

The notable points are: two instances during the game, one where you pull the trigger at yourself, and one where you fall from a building, but also the ending of the game

Like the non-vr game (that isn't being changed) SuperHot VR addresses the topic of what it means to be in a simulation and what happens when it starts to affect you outside that.

It's a pretty significant part of the experience.

It's worth noting that the game has the option to not experience these moments. However the player choice was removed along with the content.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/617830/eventcomments/3057365873425174316/

Originally posted by SyntheticJackalope:

I am unlocking the thread after getting rid of all the offtopic, spammy, and just blatantly offensive posts. Offensive not towards us, mind you (if you check the thread now, you'll see plenty of those), but towards whole social groups.

Such behavior will not stand. It is against Steam's rules. You will not present racism, bigotry, or religious prejudice of any sort in here. This is a discussion about us removing self-harm from SHVR, not personal prejudice. We all have some, probably, but there's just no reason to flaunt it, especially if it's simply off-topic.

Some people here were so drunk with anger, they started arguing with people who actually supported them. This was weird.

Please, take a deep breath before writing stuff. Don't break the rules. It's okay to vent your anger, but please - dierct it at us, not all the people you happen not to like. There are other places for this. Not here.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/617830/eventcomments/3057365873425174316/?ctp=23#c3057365873426446132

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Baldrickk:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

whAT CONTENT WAS REMOVED?

The update note is here:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/617830/announcements/detail/2992063678829322337

The notable points are: two instances during the game, one where you pull the trigger at yourself, and one where you fall from a building, but also the ending of the game

Like the non-vr game (that isn't being changed) SuperHot VR addresses the topic of what it means to be in a simulation and what happens when it starts to affect you outside that.

It's a pretty significant part of the experience.

It's worth noting that the game has the option to not experience these moments. However the player choice was removed along with the content.

Suh is life. The devs made a call on that. Perhaps they had pressure from some outsidxe agents, The fact that the toggle was added prior may hint that it was action taken due to outside pressure.

[ShelLuser]

If it wasn't VR I'd be buying that game right now, gonna check if this is VR only.

I play "adult games", I don't shy away from it and I'm even happy to discuss this. And before we go on: yah, my gf is aware of this as well. If there's one thing we both learned... its that the player base of such games are extremely toxic.

For the record: people call the GTAO community toxic so.. this is up for debate because I think that apart from some rotten apples it's one of the most inclusive communities around. Nah, the reason I mentioned this... ... there is a reason why I am mentioning my gf is ok with me liking these kind of games.

Solely based on this thread (Thanks Hot|Sauce!) and the linked thread?

HOW DARE that developer be active while a lot of adult games are "take it or leave it" based.

The entitlement is seriously real here.

(edit)

Found it, buying it, thanks for the heads up OP:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/322500/SUPERHOT/

.... of course now I feel stupid for bringing up adult games but that's the risk of the trade.

(edit2)

Seems the product description is off because... that's a non-VR Steam game I am linking too. So the OP does have one point that things seem to be a bit sloppy. Doesn't warrant the assault though IMO.

(edit3 (last one))

What negative reviews?!! I am buying this: "Very positive" => "89%" (old) and 92% (new) are positive.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

If it wasn't VR I'd be buying that game right now, gonna check if this is VR only.

I play "adult games", I don't shy away from it and I'm even happy to discuss this. And before we go on: yah, my gf is aware of this as well. If there's one thing we both learned... its that the player base of such games are extremely toxic.

For the record: people call the GTAO community toxic so.. this is up for debate because I think that apart from some rotten apples it's one of the most inclusive communities around. Nah, the reason I mentioned this... ... there is a reason why I am mentioning my gf is ok with me liking these kind of games.

Solely based on this thread (Thanks Hot|Sauce!) and the linked thread?

HOW DARE that developer be active while a lot of adult games are "take it or leave it" based.

The entitlement is seriously real here.

I think its basically the VR version of the Superhot game.
I could be wrong.

And yeah in this case I'm a bit more in the middle. Players who liked the content have a right to be pissed I supposed but the review bombing is validly classified as review bombing. COmplaining about something that is no longer in the game is a litrtle pointlyess from the eprsepctive of a prospective buyer.

STill think this is likely in response to some legal shenanigans. I mean first the toggle, then the hard removal seems like the devs were trying to take appropriate actions to remedy an issue.

[Baldrickk]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

I think its basically the VR version of the Superhot game.
I could be wrong.

And yeah in this case I'm a bit more in the middle. Players who liked the content have a right to be pissed I supposed but the review bombing is validly classified as review bombing. COmplaining about something that is no longer in the game is a litrtle pointlyess from the eprsepctive of a prospective buyer.

STill think this is likely in response to some legal shenanigans. I mean first the toggle, then the hard removal seems like the devs were trying to take appropriate actions to remedy an issue.

The devs have stated that it's not due to a third party.

The removal removes one of the main themes, and a key component to the plot of the game.
By removing it, they've made the game worse.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Baldrickk:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

I think its basically the VR version of the Superhot game.
I could be wrong.

And yeah in this case I'm a bit more in the middle. Players who liked the content have a right to be pissed I supposed but the review bombing is validly classified as review bombing. COmplaining about something that is no longer in the game is a litrtle pointlyess from the eprsepctive of a prospective buyer.

STill think this is likely in response to some legal shenanigans. I mean first the toggle, then the hard removal seems like the devs were trying to take appropriate actions to remedy an issue.

The devs have stated that it's not due to a third party.

If its due to legal issues they wouldn't be able to say if it was. Non-Disclosuure and all that.

The removal removes one of the main themes, and a key component to the plot of the game.
By removing it, they've made the game worse.

That..is a subjective statement.
The dev the artists who crafted the narrative and whatnot clearly thought it was optional to the experience they intended.

As said. WHy the sudden change.. why was a toggle not enough.. who knows.

[Meatloaf Cocktail]

I’ve seen several developers do this with their games. It just serves as a clear sign to avoid the developer for any future purchases.

Best option is to give feedback to the developer in the hope they rollback changes.

[CiccioCc]

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1)SUPERHOT SP. Z O.O. have violated my consumer right by modifying a purchased product and applying different aspects than those advertised

2)SUPERHOT SP. Z O.O. have violated the principle of my individual self-determination given to the ability of each individual to make choices autonomously and independently

[King Fossil]

Pretending negative reviews are off topic is pretty embarrassing. People are reviewing the game based on the update it just got. That's 100% legitimate.
The off topic review protection has always been bad since it only ever applies to negative reviews, but this is even worse than usual.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Baldrickk:

https://i.imgur.com/2FC2PKw.png
Players react by posting negative reviews of the change.

This is a legitimate reaction to content being removed.

Steam: ignores reviews.

I am aware that review bombing for things other than the game is a thing that happens, and is a negative.

But if there's a big reaction to an update, shouldn't that be treated as legitimate?
If it coincides with an update, it should be assumed that the update is bad and not third party interference.

Game is SuperHot VR btw.

Not legitimate at all as the link you posted literally shows that said reviews were off topic and exclude from been counted plus the game is marked as very positive.

A review is about the "game" not developers nor their decisions.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by CiccioCc:

This is yet another precedent here on Steam, for a developer who sells and sold a product, to be able to pull back and take it out of the hands of those who bought it.

You bought a licence to download, install and play a game only, the developer owns the game. As per a EULA they can add, remove content as the game upon release is still subject to change after release - patches etc.

No consumer rights are been violated.

[CiccioCc]

original message removed

1)SUPERHOT SP. Z O.O. have violated my consumer right by modifying a purchased product and applying different aspects than those advertised

2)SUPERHOT SP. Z O.O. have violated the principle of my individual self-determination given to the ability of each individual to make choices autonomously and independently

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by CiccioCc:

You are reading an "off-topic detected" tag cause it was automatically applied by the Steam AI systems, indiscriminately on all those reviews of the day. You do not know what you are talking about.

A review (positive or negative) for a change made on the game is rather legitimate!

I know exactly what I am talking about - review bombing a game by taking digs at a developer decision when the very point of reviews is actually reviewing the GAME.

It is not indiscrimate it serves a very useful purpose - not about the game - off topic.