Been Playing Single Player.

[Whispdragoon62]

Is the Barsuk that bad?

I modified it into a Barsuk v2 with basically a second set of batteries with RegEx control and RegEx control on the reactor.

I added a 3rd turret to the bottom for better coverage, linked everything up and its been pretty smooth sailing now. Its just easy because the doors are already wired.

Am I missing something? The learning curve was so bad until I added that underside turret and someone to man it. As well as giving the AI crew each their own mask and pistol.

I'm just a newbie thats all. Am I doing it right?

[Steveington]

Yes Barsuk is bad.
Barsuk and Dugong are both largly meant to be so bad you buy or make something better.

[sokolov]

Originally posted by Whispdragoon62:

I added a 3rd turret to the bottom for better coverage, linked everything up and its been pretty smooth sailing now. Its just easy because the doors are already wired.

Am I missing something?

By adding an extra turret anywhere on any submarine you basically break the balancing of it imo. Which is why Typhon-2 is so popular for endgame due to it's complete coverage.

The only downside of the Barsuk is that it's just slow and the engine eats a majority of your fuel, the whole bottom coverage thing can be avoided if you make use of Decoy Charges or properly maneuver the sub around enemies.

Originally posted by Steveington:

Yes Barsuk is bad.
Barsuk and Dugong are both largly meant to be so bad you buy or make something better.

Dugong isn't that bad, if anything it's rather balanced with both turret and interior layouts unlike most other submarines. It's only downside is lack of fabrication or storage capacity although the latter can be solved by storing materials in spare crates.

[kingmagma111]

Originally posted by Steveington:

Yes Barsuk is bad.
Barsuk and Dugong are both largly meant to be so bad you buy or make something better.

Partial disagree. Dugong isn't so much bad as it is just incredibly baseline. Leaves much to be desired, but still reliable enough. Its a campaign starter for new players.
Barsuk is bad. It is intentionally made with deficits that one needs to alter using experience picked up from previous runs, mostly in the wiring department. It is more of a campaign starter for experienced players who can handle its issues.

both are meant to be upgraded from eventually.

[Steveington]

Originally posted by kingmagma111:

Originally posted by Steveington:

Yes Barsuk is bad.
Barsuk and Dugong are both largly meant to be so bad you buy or make something better.

Partial disagree. Dugong isn't so much bad as it is just incredibly baseline. Leaves much to be desired, but still reliable enough. Its a campaign starter for new players.
Barsuk is bad. It is intentionally made with deficits that one needs to alter using experience picked up from previous runs, mostly in the wiring department. It is more of a campaign starter for experienced players who can handle its issues.

both are meant to be upgraded from eventually.

Dugong has both power issues and horrible gun angles without upgrades.
Barsuk has better angles and better power but its paper thin hull and small size, its hard to keep rubber ducky up.

EDIT: They are ofc fine, them being bad is due largly to the parts that make them perfect for new players, I was just pointing out that you are meant to bounce off of them.

[Kairi ♡]

I would say with exception of Orca, all vanilla tier 1 submarines can be considered junk, as they tend to have many blind spots for monsters to breach at, reactors with slow response and weak armament.

[Cammi]

I don't even know how anyone plays this game single player... The bots dumping all the diving suits in a flooded room and then dying just plain kills it for me.

[The Grand Mugwump]

Originally posted by Cammi:

I don't even know how anyone plays this game single player... The bots dumping all the diving suits in a flooded room and then dying just plain kills it for me.

I haven't had problems with bots tossing suits into flooded spaces while the space is still flooded. Sounds like a weird order or an old bot mod might be messing with them. You definitely want to have a ton of extra diving suits laying around though. Not all of the bots will start running in time for the poorly placed suit lockers on vanilla subs.

[Whispdragoon62]

Originally posted by The Grand Mugwump:

Originally posted by Cammi:

I don't even know how anyone plays this game single player... The bots dumping all the diving suits in a flooded room and then dying just plain kills it for me.

I haven't had problems with bots tossing suits into flooded spaces while the space is still flooded. Sounds like a weird order or an old bot mod might be messing with them. You definitely want to have a ton of extra diving suits laying around though. Not all of the bots will start running in time for the poorly placed suit lockers on vanilla subs.

Diving suit -> 80% of the time wearing it inside the sub.