Why Jovian separatists are shown as simpe piratical thugs ?

[AVSManfred]

Alright so far i visited only one JS outpost in champing after 1.0 update but already feel like way JS are represented is not as potentially sympathetic as their lore, the outpost being all covered in junk and with modification to instalations pretty much justl ike on the pirate ships and JS own propaganda, much less regular civilians, and most JS folks being dressed up in what used to be "pirate" outfits, now renamed for separatist, is it and implication that JS has devolved from legit political party into little more than buch of bandits or something ?

[kingmagma111]

“ is it and implication that JS has devolved from legit political party into little more than buch of bandits or something ?”
Yes, the lore says pretty much this. They started out as a legitimate political party, then splintered due to outrage over an unfortunate ‘accident’ (it may have been caused by the coalition) which crippled the party. The group was split mostly between the ones willing to use violence, who slowly began to outnumber the peaceful separatists until the entire organization became terror-oriented.

[AVSManfred]

Originally posted by kingmagma111:

“ is it and implication that JS has devolved from legit political party into little more than buch of bandits or something ?”
Yes, the lore says pretty much this. They started out as a legitimate political party, then splintered due to outrage over an unfortunate ‘accident’ (it may have been caused by the coalition) which crippled the party. The group was split mostly between the ones willing to use violence, who slowly began to outnumber the peaceful separatists until the entire organization became terror-oriented.

yeah wish presence of mroe peacful elements had mroe presence, it's hard to empathise with faction when all they are about is anarchy for sake of it rather than to btring some meanigfull change, just lacking any decent nuance that can be expirianced in-game, hell even Skyrim done better job there with Civil War storyline and we're not talking high level of writing when mentioning that

[Prydain]

The state of the Separatist outposts is probably due to them being shut off from the normal supply chain that the Coalition outposts get so they have to make do with whatever they have. Remember that it says in the lore that the Coalition will forcefully remove outposts out of the supply chain if they don't basically submit to them. So it could be a side effect of this since the Separatists aren't gonna be able to maintain things as well if they don't have as much supplies.

I haven't gotten far into a new campaign yet with them, but I don't think the Separatists are just thugs based on what it looks like so far. They do apparently go to extremes sometimes yes, but I don't think the entire group is full of people who follow that same idea and remember the Coalition is doing the same things to any outpost that doesn't follow them. Besides the terrorist attacks the Separatists have apparently done which does make it hard to sympathize with them a bit.

I will agree the devs should have given them entirely new outfits though. Reusing pirate outfits may have been a quick thing to do, but it definitely makes them just look like bandits when you combine them with the state of their outposts.

[Rontagosh]

Even the name 'Jovian Separatists" seems biased against them, like something the Coalition would call them in their propaganda. Could be Jovian Republic or etc. instead. Can still retain having Coalition personnel refer to the faction as separatists within Coalition stations.

Alternatively, the devs could make the Coalition look more fascist, uniformed, more security, etc.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Rontagosh:

Even the name 'Jovian Separatists" seems biased against them, like something the Coalition would call them in their propaganda. Could be Jovian Republic or etc. instead

You can read their introduction here: https://barotraumagame.com/announcements/introducing-the-jovian-separatists/

[Rontagosh]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Rontagosh:

Even the name 'Jovian Separatists" seems biased against them, like something the Coalition would call them in their propaganda. Could be Jovian Republic or etc. instead

You can read their introduction here: https://barotraumagame.com/announcements/introducing-the-jovian-separatists/

It'd be nice to have that backstory made more apparent within the gameplay

[Prydain]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

You can read their introduction here: https://barotraumagame.com/announcements/introducing-the-jovian-separatists/

Ya sad to not see like hardly any mention of this in-game so far. Gives you a bad first impression of them early on unless it changes somehow in the later biomes.

[Greb]

Jovians are a blight! A blight upon the surface of Europa, and a blight below in Underopa, the Coalitions rightful clay! Where the Coalition man creates, pioneers, discovers, marvels and advances, the Jovian dog destroys, steals, grumbles, squats and declines into their own squalor and decay!

Why, I'd favour the corrosive touch of a Husk lobotomite or the fetid embrace of the Honkmolested, even the gentle and oft misunderstood caress of the almighty Endworm, before I'd consider associating with a Jovian! Down with the Jovians! The Coalition is the real thing!

Coalition > Europan Wildlife > Church of the Husk > Pirates > Aliens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clowns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jovian Separatists

This was a political message paid for by the Coalition party.

[AVSManfred]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Rontagosh:

Even the name 'Jovian Separatists" seems biased against them, like something the Coalition would call them in their propaganda. Could be Jovian Republic or etc. instead

You can read their introduction here: https://barotraumagame.com/announcements/introducing-the-jovian-separatists/

Like what really hurts me is pre 1.0 you could even asume some Outposts were under stong JS influence without the mess just by the fact that you could encounter ppl talking about their alligence, and that sometimes we heard it from ppl in governing bodies of such outposts, yet life on outpost seemed normal, now it looks like JS not only make the state of their outposts actively worse (ok maybe they are cut off from supplies, but seeing how many outpost are under their influence, they could establish their own) and reduced civilian activity on their outpost starts making them like "anarchy for anarchy sake" faction rather than "revolutionaries that have point but might be going too far sometimes"

[Zeromentor]

I'm just going to point out that most "Revolutionary" groups in history started in the mud and were usually decentralized and rather poor. So as a group that's against the entrenched Superpower that is the Coalition, their methods and general environments actually look about right.

If anyone thinks this isn't correct, look throughout history on Earth and you'll see this is the case most often. As humans, it is only obvious that the trend would be rather the same. Stealing resources from the larger power. Undermining their operations and logistics. Remote attacks, such as bombs, used on population centers to damage morale or incite violence against a seemingly uncaring government...

Maybe I'm biased, though, as I still sail with a pirate hat, only my title has changed to be more... 'Jovial'. XD

[AVSManfred]

Originally posted by Zeromentor:

I'm just going to point out that most "Revolutionary" groups in history started in the mud and were usually decentralized and rather poor. So as a group that's against the entrenched Superpower that is the Coalition, their methods and general environments actually look about right.

If anyone thinks this isn't correct, look throughout history on Earth and you'll see this is the case most often. As humans, it is only obvious that the trend would be rather the same. Stealing resources from the larger power. Undermining their operations and logistics. Remote attacks, such as bombs, used on population centers to damage morale or incite violence against a seemingly uncaring government...

Maybe I'm biased, though, as I still sail with a pirate hat, only my title has changed to be more... 'Jovial'. XD

I mean not all revolutions come out from just sheer poverty, like at least in Poland several attempts on uprising back when our contry got erased from the map were organised by nobility that wanted to bring back independednt Poland (probably to have more influence over goverment than when under foreign goverments now in control of the teritory), and yeah JS seem like they might be scares on recources but at the same time seieng how they actievly rework perfectly fine instalations on outpost they took control of into some junk-hobo contraptions for seemingly no good reason makes it really feel like it boiled down into "anarchy for anarchy sake" kind of organisation which is really no good, liek speaking of historical examples good example of revolution that had no plan for what to do after the revolutions is good old French Revolution and we all know how it ended in so much chaos that it went full circle back to Napoleon declaring himself emperor and pretty much bringing back what revolution wanted to destroy, the absolutist monarchy, and i really feel like with how JS is being presented now they are the same deal now