What is the best vanilla sub?

[Tim-Houthi Yallahmet]

I'm ideally looking for a sub to take into late game, one that has decent weapon coverage but also reliability. It needs to handle deep water pressure.

[Rotiart]

There is no 'best' vanilla sub, however I can tell you that you're looking for the Winterhalter

[Buggy Boy]

There is only one Deep Diver class submarine (unless one of the newer ones is Deep Diver) I think it's the R29, but that is not the best sub in my opinion. Vanilla Humpback is sufficient to get to the end, just avoid the abyss.

[Саныч]

There are only 2 vanilla boats with a deep diver. Remora is ♥♥♥♥. That leaves Winterhalter. The choice is obvious.

[Buggy Boy]

Originally posted by Саныч:

There are only 2 vanilla boats with a deep diver. Remora is ♥♥♥♥. That leaves Winterhalter. The choice is obvious.

Indeed - edit the Humpback to be Deep Diver class, problem solved!

[Саныч]

Originally posted by Buggy Boy:

Originally posted by Саныч:

There are only 2 vanilla boats with a deep diver. Remora is ♥♥♥♥. That leaves Winterhalter. The choice is obvious.

Indeed - edit the Humpback to be Deep Diver class, problem solved!

Then it will no longer be a "vanilla" boat

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Buggy Boy:

Originally posted by Саныч:

There are only 2 vanilla boats with a deep diver. Remora is ♥♥♥♥. That leaves Winterhalter. The choice is obvious.

Indeed - edit the Humpback to be Deep Diver class, problem solved!

The humpback is already a boring sub with few drawbacks. Why would you remove one of the few drawbacks it does have?

[climbingeastofwinter]

Dugong is the best vanilla sub. Efficient, decent gun coverage, good pump-age, although things can go downhill quick without an alert repair team. Small and quick, you can fit it in plenty of places you couldn't go with the slower and more heavily armed larger subs. You can get from one end to another quickly, too. The only reason I ever ditch it is late game when I need to go deep, really. Dugong handles most situations very well, although using it in dangerous situations requires some skill and know-how.

A properly piloted and upgraded Dugong can, in some situations, stay within the turn radius of a specific end game threat and fire on it with impunity, although is you do take a bad hit in a Dugong, having a single large room flood means your sub is going to start sinking real fast, on account of the ship having fairly small volume and all of the rooms having exterior hull walls isn't really great. One thing the Typhon and such really do better than the Dugong is that if they lose a room or two to flooding, the vast majority of the sub is generally still protected from flooding and the volume of the sub is large enough to keep the sub floating with the ballasts pumped out even if half of another deck is full of water.

[Murdock]

I prefer three of them depending on how big my crew is:
Dugong for small crew,
Orca 2 for medium
Winter halter for full team play

[Rodi]

Herja

[DuckieMcduck]

If it were not for the funneling into Deep Divers the game does in the campaign, Humpback would be the best sub. It has everything one can need; multiple layers of external walls for protection, fabricators, exits on top and bottom, 4 turrets with good turret coverage, backup battery system. The couple blindspots it has can be dealt with quick up or down maneuvering.

I'm personally a big fan of the room layout too, medbay is easily accessible and gearing out can be done pretty fluidly. Only thing it lacks is a depth charge launcher, but you can 100% ghetto a depth charge with the bottom airlock which makes its design incredible.

Only failure in its design is diving room being at the bottom level and very far, which means that if the submarine suddenly floods then crewmembers will die trying to get suits.

Originally posted by climbingeastofwinter:

Dugong is the best vanilla sub. Efficient, decent gun coverage, good pump-age, although things can go downhill quick without an alert repair team. Small and quick, you can fit it in plenty of places you couldn't go with the slower and more heavily armed larger subs. You can get from one end to another quickly, too. The only reason I ever ditch it is late game when I need to go deep, really.

Have they added a way to add fabricators through the campaign? I used to love the Dugong, but after realizing the lack of fabricators it becomes a dealbreaker honestly.

[climbingeastofwinter]

Lack of fabrication on the Dugong doesn't really bother me, since they added full fabrication support to every outpost.