Submarine purchase advice?

[Some_William]

Hi.
So, to put it lightly, I had a minor misshap when I entered the 2nd Biome for the first time (Dugong) by which I mean a near total hull failure where I am still confused at how I made it out.

But yea, Pretty sure I need a different submarine. Fortunately, I saved up around 30k Marks, so I should be able to purchase any of them.
But I don't want to spend it all now to be honest. I just need some advice from the more experienced on which I submarines would be a good idea to buy for the Europan Ridge.
Ideally Fabricator/Deconstructer included, but not necessary.
Thank you.

[ELi]

You can always spend mk to upgrade the hull and such. It will carry over to all other subs.
Sub editor is pretty good to check and test out a sub before buying.

[Buggy Boy]

Dugong is quite capable, all subs will be vulnerable and perform poorly until a few upgrades are applied. I would prioritise hull strength and junction box durability to start off with, then maybe reactor and engine efficiency.

For subs, the Humpback is a good one for general purpose, Orca is not bad, Orca 2 apparently had a bug or two which may have been fixed in the recent update (check the patch notes if curious). I haven't really spent much time with the other vanilla offerings as I made my own subs using the Humpback as inspiration (they are in my Steam Workshop).

[Keni]

I bought to an Orca 2, it was amazing. If you find a nice spot so you don't sink, you can take down anything. It fits in a lot of cave passages. I saved up for a Kastrull for the second biome, which is a beast for shooting, but it's constantly flooded and just a huge target. Gunnery spots being on the bottom makes it useless after a single bottom hullbreach, and no nearby suit cabinets. Also the crew constantly complains about no access to batteries.

[Some_William]

Originally posted by Buggy Boy:

Dugong is quite capable, all subs will be vulnerable and perform poorly until a few upgrades are applied. I would prioritise hull strength and junction box durability to start off with, then maybe reactor and engine efficiency.

For subs, the Humpback is a good one for general purpose, Orca is not bad, Orca 2 apparently had a bug or two which may have been fixed in the recent update (check the patch notes if curious). I haven't really spent much time with the other vanilla offerings as I made my own subs using the Humpback as inspiration (they are in my Steam Workshop).

Truth be told, I kind of lost confidence now that it basically turned into a checklist of things that could go wrong within 2 minutes of the new biome.
And I have been prioritising Hull, just wanted to know if that's still a good idea or if I should "Cut my losses" and get a different Sub.

[MagikarpMagi]

Originally posted by Some_William:

"Cut my losses" and get a different Sub.

In case you weren't aware, your upgrades transfer to your new sub so there aren't really any loses.

[Саныч]

First, upgrade your boat with the essentials - 1) hull 2) pumps 3) periscopes 4) reactor and shields as needed
Try the result.
If the configuration of the boat itself and the lack of a fabricator is a problem - try another boat, because. all improvements (except for installed guns) are transferred to the next one.
The dugong is normal, but there is no fabricator, this is a problem.
I recommend Ork 2 (vulnerable back), or Hunchback (his weakness is pumps and sluggishness), possibly Azimuth. A good late game boat is Winterhalter, but without prior upgrades, I do not recommend taking it quickly.
After the purchase, you should have about 3-4 thousand left to quickly buy the missing gun on a new boat where necessary.

[Some_William]

Originally posted by Саныч:

First, upgrade your boat with the essentials - 1) hull 2) pumps 3) periscopes 4) reactor and shields as needed
Try the result.
If the configuration of the boat itself and the lack of a fabricator is a problem - try another boat, because. all improvements (except for installed guns) are transferred to the next one.
The dugong is normal, but there is no fabricator, this is a problem.
I recommend Ork 2 (vulnerable back), or Hunchback (his weakness is pumps and sluggishness), possibly Azimuth. A good late game boat is Winterhalter, but without prior upgrades, I do not recommend taking it quickly.
After the purchase, you should have about 3-4 thousand left to quickly buy the missing gun on a new boat where necessary.

Can I fix the Vulnerable back issue of the Orca 2?

[Саныч]

No. By vulnerability, I mean blind zones of fire, the easy ability to break the tail of a submarine, and the distance from other compartments, because of which you have to run there. By coincidence, I died many times there from pressure (or in the engineering room next to the tail) because I received a lot of damage from monsters and did not have time to reach the suit.
But overall nothing special.

[Some_William]

Originally posted by Саныч:

No. By vulnerability, I mean blind zones of fire, the easy ability to break the tail of a submarine, and the distance from other compartments, because of which you have to run there. By coincidence, I died many times there from pressure (or in the engineering room next to the tail) because I received a lot of damage from monsters and did not have time to reach the suit.
But overall nothing special.

Anything else worth knowing about the Orca 2?

[Саныч]

I think that's all. Most of the tips refer to general things and not to a specific boat. Orca 2 is balanced and has almost no special weaknesses

[Burán - EPRCosmos]

Originally posted by Some_William:

Originally posted by Саныч:

No. By vulnerability, I mean blind zones of fire, the easy ability to break the tail of a submarine, and the distance from other compartments, because of which you have to run there. By coincidence, I died many times there from pressure (or in the engineering room next to the tail) because I received a lot of damage from monsters and did not have time to reach the suit.
But overall nothing special.

Anything else worth knowing about the Orca 2?

I am not very experienced with the game, but I am enjoying Orca 2 with the great and the not so great design stuff of that submarine. Some of my impressions about the vehicle as a new Barotrauma player in solo campaign and a lot of useful tips from kind forum members about that submarine in messages 10 to 20 of this thread:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/602960/discussions/0/3274689919145606357/

Greetings.

[VascuD*]

Originally posted by Some_William:

Hi.
So, to put it lightly, I had a minor misshap when I entered the 2nd Biome for the first time (Dugong) by which I mean a near total hull failure where I am still confused at how I made it out.

But yea, Pretty sure I need a different submarine. Fortunately, I saved up around 30k Marks, so I should be able to purchase any of them.
But I don't want to spend it all now to be honest. I just need some advice from the more experienced on which I submarines would be a good idea to buy for the Europan Ridge.
Ideally Fabricator/Deconstructer included, but not necessary.
Thank you.

My advice is simple before u buy any submarine just open sub editor and load the one u think is "the" one u lookin for and click test on top of the editor, also some of the subs are terible for single player experience.

Also less know think, When u Hold Shift and Click Middle Mouse B on any item u have extra commands for bots, one of them is "ignore" u can use it on any nukes so they will not load them, or any containers or even cabinets ect.

Also items dont transfer between ships so if u want stuff from your one of the ships use "waiting" command in movments on every bot and give them 2 storage containers in each hand and fill them with think u want, with waiting command they dont drop stuff on the ground when u swap bettwen every single one :) (be sure w8ing its 1st prority)

and ship recommendation hmmm...
Orca 1 or 2 (8(8x500r) vs 4(4x500r) Cargo slots) recommend Laser on Bottom left and if u in need of lithum for laser ammo just buy batteries and deconstruct them :)
use more then recommended amount of ppl if u pick Orca 2, 7 is great

every Attack subs are good, just avoid Kastrull. its strongest ship in my opinion but Drone make bots go crazy, so if u really want it use ignore command on everything inside it, but yee it have 5 turrets and 12 cargo spots, and weak spot is in your command room that have glass window outside, i dont know how many times bot or me just went fly outside and be kill by my own gun :D

Typhoon 2 is most bot friendly when comess to Big Attack Ship so far, weak spots top hatch if they break it u need to fix it yourself and top left corner or engine room bots sometimes cant reach it, and that it. Also typhoon 1 is just worse in every way just ignore it.

Also lots of ppl use Humpback all the way to the end its small and compact.

[climbingeastofwinter]

Orca and Orca 2 are probably fine, so long as you familiarize yourself with the layouts and their respective vulnerabilities. If you're still in biome 2, you can hold on to the Dugong awhile longer probably and just focus on upgrades/crew/essentials for the time being, probably.

I've taken the Dugong all the way through the game in single player bot games a few times now. It gets super dicey at the end, so a deep diver is definitely something to look into eventually, but the Dugong has a no-nonsense ease of use that you won't see anywhere else. Being on the small side with all rooms adjacent to an exterior hull wall is not ideal, but the overall pumping is pretty stellar for a sub of its size, and the speed and maneuverability are quite good considering the respectable pump rate and high turret coverage.

In short, the Dugong can fit through areas most subs can't go, it can pump itself out and keep itself afloat if damage is contained well, and it's small size and decent speed (relative to the larger subs) cut down quite a bit on the number of battles you can't run from. Avoiding obstacles is easier in a Dugong, fuel efficiency is tolerable, it's just overall a very decent sub. The only caveat is that in a larger sub like one of the Typhons, losing an entire deck doesn't mean half of your sub is flooding and you're sinking uncontrollably into the abyss. In the Dugong, if you experience any widespread hull damage, you are potentially in for a Real Bad Time, so, don't skimp on the ammo and play smart with it, and the Dugong will take good care of you.

[Some_William]

Originally posted by climbingeastofwinter:

Orca and Orca 2 are probably fine, so long as you familiarize yourself with the layouts and their respective vulnerabilities. If you're still in biome 2, you can hold on to the Dugong awhile longer probably and just focus on upgrades/crew/essentials for the time being, probably.

I've taken the Dugong all the way through the game in single player bot games a few times now. It gets super dicey at the end, so a deep diver is definitely something to look into eventually, but the Dugong has a no-nonsense ease of use that you won't see anywhere else. Being on the small side with all rooms adjacent to an exterior hull wall is not ideal, but the overall pumping is pretty stellar for a sub of its size, and the speed and maneuverability are quite good considering the respectable pump rate and high turret coverage.

In short, the Dugong can fit through areas most subs can't go, it can pump itself out and keep itself afloat if damage is contained well, and it's small size and decent speed (relative to the larger subs) cut down quite a bit on the number of battles you can't run from. Avoiding obstacles is easier in a Dugong, fuel efficiency is tolerable, it's just overall a very decent sub. The only caveat is that in a larger sub like one of the Typhons, losing an entire deck doesn't mean half of your sub is flooding and you're sinking uncontrollably into the abyss. In the Dugong, if you experience any widespread hull damage, you are potentially in for a Real Bad Time, so, don't skimp on the ammo and play smart with it, and the Dugong will take good care of you.

Even without the Self-Reliance that you can get with fabricators?
Also, good point. Dugong is pretty nice sub. Considering this is my first playthrough, I'd say Dugong brought me into the 2nd biome. Barsuk just... No. It's a nightmare.

[Саныч]

A boat without a fabricator is a pain. I'd rather suffer on a hunchback and sink constantly than a perfect boat without a fabricator.