How good Pray for soul's repose?

[JustAway]

I was wondering how Pray for soul's repose(Better Save Soul dlc) work comparing to Pray for faith?

Both have same sermon faith (50-150%). But pray for soul's response said the more soul gratitude you have more faith you gain. How much does soul gratitude does actually impact on faith gain?

[CloudSeeker]

If you are able to get a gold level sermon that gives faith, that is better. Pray for Souls is much better than what you get in the early game is you just have enough to get 100% on bronze of the early sermons.

I give a 100% recomendation on it in the early game as souls are faster to gather then rebuilding the church.

[EVIL Shenanigans]

It really just depends on how much soul gratitude (happy blue ghost) you currently have vs your church's quality (glowing crucifix). The PfSR sermon will augment your 'base Faith' return based on that ratio; if soul gratitude > church quality, the PfSR will have a positive influence, but if soul gratitude < church quality, the PfSR will have a *negative* influence. So, assuming you have the BSS DLC and have completed most-if-not-all of it's content, if your goal is maximum Faith returns during sermons, keep using a Faith / Combo prayer if you do *not* have a lot of soul gratitude stockpiled, but use the PfSR prayer when you do.

Minor spoiler; you can store certain items in soul containers to increase soul gratitude's capacity. However, while likely an exploit, stacks of certain items can boost capacity significantly, thereby potentially increasing the PfSR multiplier to a ridiculous degree, resulting in total Faith returns of 500+ from a single performance of PfSR.

Ex; a gold-quality PfSR, 60 CQ, 2085 SG = 538 Faith[media.discordapp.net]

[Cryten]

Prayer for souls repose is the way to min max getting faith quickly. IF you focus purely on pushing the dlc's progress.

But if you play in a general manner then a standard prayer for faith or combo prayer will do well for you.

[JustAway]

Originally posted by EVIL Shenanigans:

It really just depends on how much soul gratitude (happy blue ghost) you currently have vs your church's quality (glowing crucifix). The PfSR sermon will augment your 'base Faith' return based on that ratio; if soul gratitude > church quality, the PfSR will have a positive influence, but if soul gratitude < church quality, the PfSR will have a *negative* influence. So, assuming you have the BSS DLC and have completed most-if-not-all of it's content, if your goal is maximum Faith returns during sermons, keep using a Faith / Combo prayer if you do *not* have a lot of soul gratitude stockpiled, but use the PfSR prayer when you do.

Minor spoiler; you can store certain items in soul containers to increase soul gratitude's capacity. However, while likely an exploit, stacks of certain items can boost capacity significantly, thereby potentially increasing the PfSR multiplier to a ridiculous degree, resulting in total Faith returns of 500+ from a single performance of PfSR.

Ex; a gold-quality PfSR, 60 CQ, 2085 SG = 538 Faith[media.discordapp.net]

So Church quality does effect PfSR but it doesnt do better with low soul gratitude point then faith/combo prayer?
Also how can you have 2085 SG? while i read on wiki maximum SG is 396( or 696 assuming using double soul container spot glitch)

[EVIL Shenanigans]

Originally posted by JustAway:

So Church quality does effect PfSR but it doesnt do better with low soul gratitude point then faith/combo prayer?

Let's just say that CQ isn't as important to PfSR as the other sermons, so long as you have a relatively high SG. The way the math works, the lower the CQ, the higher the SG multiplier (assuming a constant, high SG), so the Faith yield mostly balances out. Otherwise, if CQ = SG, you'll get the same Faith yield whether you use a Faith prayer or the PfSR prayer of the same quality ... and if CQ > SG, you'd want to use a Faith prayer *instead* of the PfSR. However, in either case, I'd suggest a minimum CQ of 60 during the late-game, in order to guarantee the gold-quality is successful.

Originally posted by JustAway:

Also how can you have 2085 SG? while i read on wiki maximum SG is 396( or 696 assuming using double soul container spot glitch)

The wiki is a bit dated - though the base capacity of 136 is still accurate. Moar spoilers, but a somewhat recent discovery shows that there are several different items that boost SG capacity when placed in a soul container, making the use of sin shards (1x capacity per shard, 20x to a stack, 13 stacks possible = 260 bonus capacity) obsolete. A reddit user found that complex items work, including crops; 3x capacity per item, 50x to a stack, 13 stacks = 1950 bonus capacity. Note; increasing the capacity is meaningless if you don't *fill* that capacity by processing a *lot* of healed souls (~60 corpses, or ~12 weeks worth). So, technically the new max SG is 208*6*, not 2085.