Can I get more sin shards from bodies

[DWS]

Quote (wiki): "Souls via the Soul healer will always have either 4 or 7 sins to heal. Thus, healing souls will always give either 4 or 7 Sin Shards. This can doubled through the sermon "Prayer for Soul's Thorough Cleansing", giving you either 8 or 14 Sin Shards instead. What causes a soul to have either 4 or 7 sins is how many organs are used to cleanse it."

The last sentence implies that maybe the body can be improved for more sin shards before extracting/cleaning the soul? Before extracting, should I exchange organs with few skulls with organs that have more skulls to get more shards or is it vice versa?

[DWS]

The soul cleaner is maxed with 7 organs fully upgraded to 3 red and 3 white skulls.

I just would like to know if I can do anything to the body to always get 7 (14) sin shards from healing. Do I have to leave the corpse for 2 days before extracting the more harmed soul? Something else? What if I exchange organs? Can I even extract the soul after manipulating the body?

[EVIL Shenanigans]

The last sentence was just in regards to the soul healer - sometimes the soul requires 4 organ-filled-buckets to be properly healed, and sometimes it requires 7; the former should provide 4 shards, the latter will provide 7 shards.

Regarding trying to get the soul to always roll a 7, I don't think anyone has earnestly made the attempt. In my experience, it appears to be relatively random, at least not dependent on the incoming corpses skull-rating. And i doubt freshness would matter (except in soul gratitude returns).

[Fargel_Linellar]

I did try to collect data on soul.
The 4/7 seems to be a 50/50 chance.

They will have varying amount of "skulls" to be healed. Ranging from 5 up to 14.
I found no link between the corpse and the souls, I think they are rolled separately.

In regards to sin shards, the amount of matching "skulls" has 0 impact only the presence of an organ.

Even if you put an organ with 0/0 skull that match some healing required, it will still provide it's 1 sin shards.

Matching skulls or the freshness indeed only impact the amount of soul gratitude, not sin shards.

The only way to increase the amount of sin shards is through a glitch. You can "copy" an harmed soul into another harmed soul.

So you can keep an harmed soul with 7 "sins" and use it to swap any incoming soul with 4 into a 7.

[DWS]

How do you copy a soul into another one? Just curious, I would not abuse glitches. It's going quite well with the golden prayer for more shards.

I may have found an influence, but it needs further testing. If I find organs with 3 white skulls and remove them before extracting the soul, it seems to end up at 7/14 shards. I think I have read it in a lengthy german guide about how to get bodies with 26 skulls, the author always does the same before extracting the souls. But it could be just coincidences and the author did not explain why doing so.

[Fargel_Linellar]

To copy a soul is rather simple.

You need a soul storage built in the soul room (the one that preserve soul for a long time, not sure of the exact name).

Put the soul you want to copy in the storage.

Then put the soul you want to erase into the soul healer, then remove it.

Instead of pulling out just the soul in the healer, the game pulled out 2 souls, the one in the healer and one from the storage.

It also copied the one in the storage into the one in the healer (including durability).

I don't think removing organ has an effect. I've tried extracting the soul, checking what it has, reloading and modifying the corpse and the soul was the same no matter what I tried.

For improving the corpse to 26, it always make sense to remove all important organs and body parts that can be improved.

This make it easier to then add a dark organ, do all the injections, then add back "improved" body parts.

[DWS]

I'm confused. But nevermind, I shouldn't try it anyway..

Removing organs has no effect, you are right. The skull values of the organs of the harmed soul that you see in the soul cleaner differ from the organ values in the body. E.g. sometimes there is "spiritual" fat with some white skulls in the harmed soul, but physical fat of the bodies never has a white skull without modification..

Also there is no prayer that has an effect on the values of the spiritual organs of the harmed souls. The devs could have put it into the one relatively useless prayer of this dlc which is only good for remote map crafting.